Is Barack Obama anti-American? *UPDATED*
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Is Barack Obama anti-American? *UPDATED*
Bookworm on Oct 18 2009 at 12:48 pm | Filed under: Anti-Americanism, Barack Obama , Freedom
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A couple of weeks ago, I included in a post the statement that Barack Obama is anti-American. A dear and respected friend suggested that I was exaggerating. Obama may have a different vision of or goal for America, he said, but that’s scarcely the same as being anti-American. I’ve been thinking that over for a while and, after a lot of mental give and take about what it means to be “anti-” anything, have now decided that Barack Obama is indeed anti-American.
Everything has a fundamental essence, a quality that makes it uniquely itself. Take an orange, for example. It’s not only citrus fruit, *it’s an orange colored *citrus fruit. Horticulturists can alter its size, its texture, it’s sweetness, and the purity of its orange color, but it still remains an orange because that color is its definition. Change the color, however, and suddenly, you have the un-orange, the anti-orange. You have something completely different that no longer contains within it the essence of the original fruit. Lose the essence and you lose the orange.
America has an essence too, and that essence is liberty. America since its inception has been defined by liberty, both the liberty of the individual and the liberty of the nation. Individual liberty means that Americans should be subject to minimal government constraints. The state exists to serve the individual (commerce, transportation, security), not to control the individual. That’s why the Bill of Rights focuses so closely on individual freedoms: the freedom to speak, the freedom to write, the freedom to worship, the freedom to defend oneself with arms, the freedom from searches and seizures, etc. Liberty also extends to the nation. Both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are replete with examples of the Founders’ absolute obsession with national sovereignty. Just recently, we’ve been reminded of the fact that the Founders didn’t even want the appearance of impropriety and the risk of influence, since they specifically prohibited foreign emoluments for our presidents.
Despite blunders of enormous magnitude (slavery, the treatment of Native Americans, and the imprisonment of American Japanese), Americans have, for the most part, taken these freedoms with the utmost seriousness. We are a nation “of the people, by the people and for the people.” We have not allowed ourselves to be ruled by tyrannies, dictators or bureaucracies. We like our taxes low and our freedoms high. In the past 100 years, when we fight wars, we do not fight wars to conquer other people, we fight wars to free other people from tyrannies. Those on the Left who sneer at our “imperialist ventures” implicitly side with Hitler, with the North Koreans, with the Communist North Vietnamese, and with Saddam Hussein (mass murderer of his own people). While ordinary Americans shed blood so that others on foreign shores can live free, the Left cheers on those who would deny their own citizens (or the citizens of conquered nations) the same freedoms we unthinkingly enjoy.
All the freedoms I’ve discussed can very quickly be distilled into a single essence, *an American essence*: American individuals are free from control by and fear of their own government, and the American nation is free from control by other nations.
Barack Obama is anti-American because he wants to change this American essence. His domestic policy is directed at increasing government control in every area, which decreases individual liberty. Here’s an incomplete bullet-point list of his anti-liberty goals on the home front:
– He wants to remove any last vestiges of the marketplace from individuals’ control over their own health care, and put the government entirely in charge. – He’s willing to give government control over American businesses (i.e., Bank takeover ands Government Motors). – His administration, while on record as opposing the Fairness Doctrine, is aggressively exploring a backdoor regulatory schemethat would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to control content. – His FCC wants to control the internet, which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it critical of Obama. – Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to create a civilian national security force, subordinate to the administration, which would be larger than the American military. The military, please note, is controlled by the Constitution and has traditionally existed as a separate entity from any government. – He wants to take away the right to bear arms. He’ll pay lip service to supporting the Second Amendment, but his fundamental goal is to use government to remove arms from individuals. I’ve never held a gun in my life, but I know that the Founders understood that, for individuals, their single biggest defense against an overreaching government, is the right to arm themselves. Statists never allow their citizens to bear arms. Indeed, the first thing the Nazis did was ban guns in citizen’s hands. – He wants to redistribute wealth. Without money, people have no choices. The more money the government siphons to itself, the fewer choices we, as individuals have, which makes us increasingly subordinate to the government.
Of course, not all these Obama dreams will become reality. As I noted above, Obama has been trying to delete evidence that he ever dreamt about a huge civilian security force at his beck and call. And with other dreams (for example, the Second Amendment) he’s doing a fancy dance by which he tries to hide his authoritarian impulses. But it doesn’t matter. This post isn’t about what Obama will actually do. It’s about what he wants to do, what his desires are *vis a vis* the American people — and it’s very clear that his desire is antithetical to the American essence. He wants to limit or destroy individual liberties.
Politically, too, Obama’s impulses are all antithetical to liberty. Again, some examples:
– He has turned against the only democratic nation in the Middle East (that would be Israel), in favor of the bloodied tyrannical theocracies on her borders. – By reversing his pledge to keep a missile defense system in place in Poland and the Czech Republic, he has favored Iran’s Muslim tyranny over these democratic nations only so recently freed from Communism. – Figuratively and literally, he bows to dictators (Saudis, Venezuelans, Russians, Iranians, Cubans). They ask, he gives. In other words, contrary to America’s hundred year history of siding with the people against their tyrants, he sides with the tyrants against their people. – In Honduras, he sided with the delusional Zelaya against the people and the Constitution. – In Iran, when the people took to the streets, he sided with the megalomaniac theocracy, against the people. – In his much-heralded speech to the Muslim world, in addition to grounding Israel’s right to exist solely on a Holocaust the Muslim world denies, he repeatedly and noisily trumpetedthe right of Muslim men to control Muslim women, a trope he reiteratedin subsequent speeches. This goes beyond the idiocy of multiculturalism and actively supports the subordination of an eighth of the world’s population. (If 1/4 of the world is Muslim, and half of those Muslims are women….) – In his speeches, he assures the tyrannies of the world that America is abandoning her century old role of America’s policeman. They are freed from any constraint. – By joining the farce that is the U.N. Human Rights Council, he is lending America’s imprimatur to the most violently anti-Semitic, authoritarian, dictatorial, anti-American political body in the world. – As part of his belief in the increasingly discredited notion of climate change, he stands ready to cede American sovereignty to a U.N. body that can control American wealth distribution and police the American body politic .
With the exception of the last item, and unlike the list regarding Obama’s domestic goals, the above bullet-points are not made up of things Obama merely wishes he can do. They are composed of things Obama has already done. He has subordinated America. America is no longer the symbol of liberty around the world. She’s just another nation and, worse, one whose leader, by temperament and political belief, has more reverence for dictatorships than democracies. In other words, when he deals with the world outside America’s borders, he has again denied America’s essence, which is as the symbol of and standard-bearer for freedom.
If every one of Obama’s desires and actions is antithetical to America’s core essence, then it is reasonable to say that he is anti-American. He’s not merely making little changes around the edges, smoothing away rough spots, augmenting existing traits, or getting rid of ugly cankers. Instead, both at home and abroad, he’s trying to destroy America’s essence, that commitment to liberty that makes her unique in this world, and that makes her uniquely American.
Given Obama’s authoritarian, anti-liberty (and, therefore, anti-American) impulses, Obama’s periodic, TelePrompter-generated professions of love for this country ring untrue. Just as we disbelieve statements of love from the man who beats his wife to a pulp because he’s trying to “improve” her so that she can achieve some impossible standard that would re-make her in the beater’s own mind, so too are we entirely justified in disbelieving Obama’s lukewarm affirmatives, when his behavior continuously shows a profound disdain for America and her core values.
*UPDATE*: Well, that didn’t take long. Within an hour of my having written the above, I learn that the same Obama administration that took days before voicing lukewarm support for the Iranian people under the thumb of a tyrannical theocracy, took mere minutes to condemna bombing that killed the military wing of that same dictatorship. Obama’s every impulse is hostile to liberty.
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Barack Obama is anti-American because he wants to change this American essence. His domestic policy is directed at increasing government control in every area, which decreases individual liberty
Plain,
Here’s a crazy idea BOB (Buckets Of Blood). How about coming up with BETTER ideas and winning at the voting booth?
On Oct 22, 7:39 am, plainolamerican wrote: > Barack Obama is anti-American because he wants to change this > American > essence. His domestic policy is directed at increasing government > control > in every area, which decreases individual liberty > — > spot on! > > it just may take buckets of blood to remove these socialists from our > nation > > On Oct 21, 3:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > Song > > > The gay agenda that > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than > > allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to control content. > > - His FCC wants to control the > > internet , > > which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it critical of Obama. > > - Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to create a > > civilian national security > > force , > > subordinate to the administration, which would be larger than the American > > military. The military, please note, is controlled by the Constitution and > > has traditionally existed as a separate entity from any government. > > - He wants to take away the right to bear arms. He’ll pay lip service to > > supporting the Second Amendment, but his fundamental goal is to use > > government to remove arms from > > individuals . > > I’ve never held a gun in my life, but I know that the Founders understood > > that, for individuals, their single biggest defense against an overreaching > > government, is the right to arm themselves. Statists never allow their > > citizens to bear arms. Indeed, the first thing the Nazis did was ban guns > > in citizen’s hands. > > - He wants to redistribute > > wealth . > > Without money, people have no choices. The more money the government > > siphons to itself, the fewer choices we, as individuals have, which makes us > > increasingly subordinate to the government. > > > Of course, not all these Obama dreams will become reality. As I noted > > above, Obama has been trying to delete evidence that he ever dreamt about a > > huge civilian security force at his beck and call. And with other dreams > > (for example, the Second Amendment) he’s doing a fancy dance by which he > > tries to hide his authoritarian impulses. But it doesn’t matter. This post > > isn’t about what Obama will actually do. It’s about what he wants to do, > > what his desires are *vis a vis* the American people — and it’s very clear > > that his desire is antithetical to the American essence. He wants to limit > > or destroy individual liberties. > > > Politically, too, Obama’s impulses are all antithetical to liberty. Again, > > some examples: > > > - He has turned against the only democratic nation in the Middle East > > (that would be Israel), in favor of the bloodied tyrannical theocracies on > > her borders. > > - By reversing his pledge to keep a missile defense system in place in > > Poland and the Czech Republic, he has favored Iran’s Muslim tyranny over > > these democratic nations only so recently freed from Communism. > > - Figuratively and literally, he bows to dictators (Saudis, Venezuelans, > > Russians, Iranians, Cubans). They ask, he gives. In other words, contrary > > to America’s hundred year history of siding with the people against their > > tyrants, he sides with the tyrants against their people. > > - In Honduras, he sided with the delusional Zelaya against the people and > > the Constitution. > > - In Iran, when the people took to the streets, he sided with the > > megalomaniac theocracy, against the people. > > - In his much-heralded speech to the Muslim world, in addition to > > grounding Israel’s right to exist solely on a Holocaust the Muslim world > > denies, he repeatedly and noisily > > trumpeted the > > right of Muslim men to control Muslim women, a > > trope he reiterated in > > subsequent speeches. This goes beyond the idiocy of multiculturalism > > and > > actively supports the subordination of an eighth of the world’s population. > > (If 1/4 of the world is Muslim, and half of those Muslims are women….) > > - In his speeches, he assures the tyrannies of the world that America is > > abandoning her century old role of America’s policeman. They are freed from > > any constraint. > > - By joining the farce that is the U.N. Human Rights Council, > > … > > read more »- Hide quoted text – > > – Show quoted text -
It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however pro-socialist which makes him anti-American.
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On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > Song > > The gay agenda that > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than > allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to control content. > - His FCC wants to control the > internet , > which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it critical of Obama. > - Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to create a > civilian national security > force , > subordinate to the administration, which would be larger than the American > military. The military, please note, is controlled by the Constitution and > has traditionally existed as a separate entity from any government. > - He wants to take away the right to bear arms. He’ll pay lip service to > supporting the Second Amendment, but his fundamental goal is to use > government to remove arms from > individuals . > I’ve never held a gun in my life, but I know that the Founders understood > that, for individuals, their single biggest defense against an overreaching > government, is the right to arm themselves. Statists never allow their > citizens to bear arms. Indeed, the first thing the Nazis did was ban guns > in citizen’s hands. > - He wants to redistribute > wealth . > Without money, people have no choices. The more money the government > siphons to itself, the fewer choices we, as individuals have, which makes us > increasingly subordinate to the government. > > Of course, not all these Obama dreams will become reality. As I noted > above, Obama has been trying to delete evidence that he ever dreamt about a > huge civilian security force at his beck and call. And with other dreams > (for example, the Second Amendment) he’s doing a fancy dance by which he > tries to hide his authoritarian impulses. But it doesn’t matter. This post > isn’t about what Obama will actually do. It’s about what he wants to do, > what his desires are *vis a vis* the American people — and it’s very clear > that his desire is antithetical to the American essence. He wants to limit > or destroy individual liberties. > > Politically, too, Obama’s impulses are all antithetical to liberty. Again, > some examples: > > - He has turned against the only democratic nation in the Middle East > (that would be Israel), in favor of the bloodied tyrannical theocracies on > her borders. > - By reversing his pledge to keep a missile defense system in place in > Poland and the Czech Republic, he has favored Iran’s Muslim tyranny over > these democratic nations only so recently freed from Communism. > - Figuratively and literally, he bows to dictators (Saudis, Venezuelans, > Russians, Iranians, Cubans). They ask, he gives. In other words, contrary > to America’s hundred year history of siding with the people against their > tyrants, he sides with the tyrants against their people. > - In Honduras, he sided with the delusional Zelaya against the people and > the Constitution. > - In Iran, when the people took to the streets, he sided with the > megalomaniac theocracy, against the people. > - In his much-heralded speech to the Muslim world, in addition to > grounding Israel’s right to exist solely on a Holocaust the Muslim world > denies, he repeatedly and noisily > trumpeted the > right of Muslim men to control Muslim women, a > trope he reiterated in > subsequent speeches. This goes beyond the idiocy of multiculturalism > and > actively supports the subordination of an eighth of the world’s population. > (If 1/4 of the world is Muslim, and half of those Muslims are women….) > - In his speeches, he assures the tyrannies of the world that America is > abandoning her century old role of America’s policeman. They are freed from > any constraint. > - By joining the farce that is the U.N. Human Rights Council, he is > lending America’s imprimatur to the most violently anti-Semitic, > authoritarian, dictatorial, anti-American political body in the world. > - As part of his belief in the increasingly discredited notion of climate > change, he stands ready to cede American sovereignty to a U.N. body that > can control American wealth distribution and police the American body > politic > . > > With the exception of the last item, and unlike the list regarding Obama’s > domestic goals, the above bullet-points are not made up of things Obama > merely wishes he can do. They are composed of things Obama has already > done. He has subordinated America. America is no longer the symbol of > liberty around the world. She’s just > … > > read more »
How about coming up with BETTER ideas and winning at the voting booth?
Plain,
OH, so you really ARE a traitor to the U.S. Constituion. Freedom just fine you say, just so as the voting so your way. Fucking hypocritical traitor.
On Oct 22, 10:40 pm, plainolamerican wrote: > How about coming up with > BETTER ideas and winning at the voting booth? > — > no > > the USA is not a democracy > we cannot leave allow the socialists to “purchase” our nation > > On Oct 22, 9:31 am, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > Plain, > > > Here’s a crazy idea BOB (Buckets Of Blood). How about coming up with > > BETTER ideas and winning at the voting booth? > > > On Oct 22, 7:39 am, plainolamerican
wrote: > > > > Barack Obama is anti-American because he wants to change this > > > American > > > essence. His domestic policy is directed at increasing government > > > control > > > in every area, which decreases individual liberty > > > — > > > spot on! > > > > it just may take buckets of blood to remove these socialists from our > > > nation > > > > On Oct 21, 3:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > Song > > > > > The gay agenda that > > > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > > > > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than > > > > allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to control content. > > > > - His FCC wants to control the > > > > internet , > > > > which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it critical of Obama. > > > > - Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to create a > > > > civilian national security > > > > force , > > > > subordinate to the administration, which would be larger than the American > > > > military. The military, please note, is controlled by the Constitution and > > > > has traditionally existed as a separate entity from any government. > > > > - He wants to take away the right to bear arms. He’ll pay lip service to > > > > supporting the Second Amendment, but his fundamental goal is to use > > > > government to remove arms from > > > > individuals . > > > > I’ve never held a gun in my life, but I know that the Founders understood > > > > that, for individuals, their single biggest defense against an overreaching > > > > government, is the right to arm themselves. Statists never allow their > > > > citizens to bear arms. Indeed, the first thing the Nazis did was ban guns > > > > in citizen’s hands. > > > > - He wants to redistribute > > > > wealth . > > > > Without money, people have no choices. The more money the government > > > > siphons to itself, the fewer choices we, as individuals have, which makes us > > > > increasingly subordinate to the government. > > > > > Of course, not all these Obama dreams will become reality. As I noted > > > > above, Obama has been trying to delete evidence that he ever dreamt about a > > > > huge civilian security force at his beck and call. And with other dreams > > > > (for example, the Second Amendment) he’s doing a fancy dance by which he > > > > tries to hide his authoritarian impulses. But it doesn’t matter. This post > > > > isn’t about what Obama will actually do. It’s about what he wants to do, > > > > what his desires are *vis a vis* the American people — and it’s very clear > > > > that his desire is antithetical to the American essence. He wants to limit > > > > or destroy individual liberties. > > > > > Politically, too, Obama’s impulses are all antithetical to liberty. Again, > > > > some examples: > > > > > - He has turned against the only democratic nation in the Middle East > > > > (that would be Israel), in favor of the bloodied tyrannical theocracies on > > > > her borders. > > > > - By reversing his pledge to keep a missile defense system in place in > > > > Poland and the Czech Republic, he has favored Iran’s Muslim tyranny over > > > > these democratic nations only so recently freed from Communism. > > > > - Figuratively and literally, he bows to dictators (Saudis, Venezuelans, > > > > Russians, Iranians, Cubans). They ask, he gives. In other words, contrary > > > > to America’s hundred year history of siding with the people against their > > > > tyrants, he sides with the tyrants against their people. > > > > - In Honduras, he sided with the delusional Zelaya against the people and > > > > the Constitution. > > > > - In Iran, when the people took to the streets, he sided with the > > … > > read more »- Hide quoted text – > > – Show quoted text -
you really ARE a traitor to the U.S. Constituion.
Plain,
As a chickenshit civilian I realize you never took the oath I did when I joined the Marine Corps. You can Google it and see how accurate I am if you wish. It’s the same oath ALL military people take and very similar to the one AA elected officials take. It goes something like this:” I swear to preserve and protect the Constituion of the United Staes from all enemies both domestic and foreign and to obey the orders (legal orders) or the NCO’s and officers appointed over me”
NOW dumbass. Tell me where I swore to protect a particular ECONOMIC SYSTEM, a particular ideaology, a particular religion, a particular political party, or any individual. TELL me where the U.S. Constituion requires the U.S. to follow a certain economic system?
Trumped? My dying ass chickenshit BOB.
On Oct 23, 10:18 am, plainolamerican wrote: > you really ARE a traitor to the U.S. Constituion. > — > no, you are by helping socialists take control of our nation > > Fucking hypocritical > traitor. > — > fuck you and your dead mother, socialist warmonger > > as you can see, your insults will always be trumped, old man > > On Oct 23, 9:57 am, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > Plain, > > > OH, so you really ARE a traitor to the U.S. Constituion. Freedom just > > fine you say, just so as the voting so your way. Fucking hypocritical > > traitor. > > > On Oct 22, 10:40 pm, plainolamerican
> > wrote: > > > > How about coming up with > > > BETTER ideas and winning at the voting booth? > > > — > > > no > > > > the USA is not a democracy > > > we cannot leave allow the socialists to “purchase” our nation > > > > On Oct 22, 9:31 am, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > Plain, > > > > > Here’s a crazy idea BOB (Buckets Of Blood). How about coming up with > > > > BETTER ideas and winning at the voting booth? > > > > > On Oct 22, 7:39 am, plainolamerican
wrote: > > > > > > Barack Obama is anti-American because he wants to change this > > > > > American > > > > > essence. His domestic policy is directed at increasing government > > > > > control > > > > > in every area, which decreases individual liberty > > > > > — > > > > > spot on! > > > > > > it just may take buckets of blood to remove these socialists from our > > > > > nation > > > > > > On Oct 21, 3:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > Song > > > > > > > The gay agenda that > > > > > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > > > > > > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than > > > > > > allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to control content. > > > > > > - His FCC wants to control the > > > > > > internet , > > > > > > which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it critical of Obama. > > > > > > - Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to create a > > > > > > civilian national security > > > > > > force , > > > > > > subordinate to the administration, which would be larger than the American > > > > > > military. The military, please note, is controlled by the Constitution and > > > > > > has traditionally existed as a separate entity from any government. > > > > > > - He wants to take away the right to bear arms. He’ll pay lip service to > > > > > > supporting the Second Amendment, but his fundamental goal is to use > > > > > > government to remove arms from > > > > > > individuals . > > > > > > I’ve never held a gun in my life, but I know that the Founders understood > > > > > > that, for individuals, their single biggest defense against an overreaching > > > > > > government, is the right to arm themselves. Statists never allow their > > > > > > citizens to bear arms. Indeed, the first thing the Nazis did was ban guns > > > > > > in citizen’s hands. > > > > > > - He wants to redistribute > > > > > > wealth . > > > > > > Without money, people have no choices. The more money the government > > > > > > siphons to itself, the fewer choices we, as individuals have, which makes us > > > > > > increasingly subordinate to the government. > > > > > > > Of course, not all these Obama dreams will become reality. As I noted > > > > > > above, Obama has been trying to delete evidence that he ever dreamt about a > > > > > > huge civilian security force at his beck and call. And with other dreams > > > > > > (for example, the Second Amendment) he’s doing a fancy dance by which he > > > > > > tries to hide his authoritarian impulses. But it doesn’t matter. This post > > > > > > isn’t about what Obama will actually do. It’s about what he wants to do, > > > > > > what his desires are *vis a vis* the American people — and it’s very clear > > > > > > that his desire is antithetical to the American essence. He wants to limit > > … > > read more »- Hide quoted text – > > – Show quoted text -
There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, associations and policies, both domestic and international, that define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s associates and their philosophies over the years.
On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > Song > > > The gay agenda that > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than > > allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to control content. > > - His FCC wants to control the > > internet , > > which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it critical of Obama. > > - Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to create a > > civilian national security > > force , > > subordinate to the administration, which would be larger than the American > > military. The military, please note, is controlled by the Constitution and > > has traditionally existed as a separate entity from any government. > > - He wants to take away the right to bear arms. He’ll pay lip service to > > supporting the Second Amendment, but his fundamental goal is to use > > government to remove arms from > > individuals . > > I’ve never held a gun in my life, but I know that the Founders understood > > that, for individuals, their single biggest defense against an overreaching > > government, is the right to arm themselves. Statists never allow their > > citizens to bear arms. Indeed, the first thing the Nazis did was ban guns > > in citizen’s hands. > > - He wants to redistribute > > wealth . > > Without money, people have no choices. The more money the government > > siphons to itself, the fewer choices we, as individuals have, which makes us > > increasingly subordinate to the government. > > > Of course, not all these Obama dreams will become reality. As I noted > > above, Obama has been trying to delete evidence that he ever dreamt about a > > huge civilian security force at his beck and call. And with other dreams > > (for example, the Second Amendment) he’s doing a fancy dance by which he > > tries to hide his authoritarian impulses. But it doesn’t matter. This post > > isn’t about what Obama will actually do. It’s about what he wants to do, > > what his desires are *vis a vis* the American people — and it’s very clear > > that his desire is antithetical to the American essence. He wants to limit > > or destroy individual liberties. > > > Politically, too, Obama’s impulses are all antithetical to liberty. Again, > > some examples: > > > - He has turned against the only democratic nation in the Middle East > > (that would be Israel), in favor of the bloodied tyrannical theocracies on > > her borders. > > - By reversing his pledge to keep a missile defense system in place in > > Poland and the Czech Republic, he has favored Iran’s Muslim tyranny over > > these democratic nations only so recently freed from Communism. > > - Figuratively and literally, he bows to dictators (Saudis, Venezuelans, > > Russians, Iranians, Cubans). They ask, he gives. In other words, contrary > > to America’s hundred year history of siding with the people against their > > tyrants, he sides with the tyrants against their people. > > - In Honduras, he sided with the delusional Zelaya against the people and > > the Constitution. > > - In Iran, when the people took to the streets, he sided with the > > megalomaniac theocracy, against the people. > > - In his much-heralded speech to the Muslim world, in addition to > > grounding Israel’s right to exist solely on a Holocaust the Muslim world > > denies, he repeatedly and noisily > > trumpeted the > > right of Muslim men to control Muslim women, a > > trope he reiterated in > > subsequent speeches. This goes beyond the idiocy of multiculturalism > > and > > actively supports the subordination of an eighth of the world’s population. > > (If 1/4 of the world is Muslim, and half of those Muslims are women….) > > - In his speeches, he assures the tyrannies of the world that America is > > abandoning her century old role of America’s policeman. They are freed from > > any constraint. > > - By joining the farce that is the U.N. Human Rights Council, he is > > lending America’s imprimatur to > > … > > read more »
Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is concerned.
On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood wrote: > Zeb, > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick wrote: > > > There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- > > American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America > > to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > Song > > > > > The gay agenda that > > > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > > > > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than > > > > allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to control content. > > > > - His FCC wants to control the > > > > internet , > > > > which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it critical of Obama. > > > > - Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to create a > > > > civilian national security > > > > force , > > > > subordinate to the administration, which would be larger than the American > > > > military. The military, please note, is controlled by the Constitution and > > > > has traditionally existed as a separate entity from any government. > > > > - He wants to take away the right to bear arms. He’ll pay lip service to > > > > supporting the Second Amendment, but his fundamental goal is to use > > > > government to remove arms from > > > > individuals . > > > > I’ve never held a gun in my life, but I know that the Founders understood > > > > that, for individuals, their single biggest defense against an overreaching > > > > government, is the right to arm themselves. Statists never allow their > > > > citizens to bear arms. Indeed, the first thing the Nazis did was ban guns > > > > in citizen’s hands. > > > > - He wants to redistribute > > > > wealth . > > > > Without money, people have no choices. The more money the government > > > > siphons to itself, the fewer choices we, as individuals have, which makes us > > > > increasingly subordinate to the government. > > > > > Of course, not all these Obama dreams will become reality. As I noted > > > > above, Obama has been trying to delete evidence that he ever dreamt about a > > > > huge civilian security force at his beck and call. And with other dreams > > > > (for example, the Second Amendment) he’s doing a fancy dance by which he > > > > tries to hide his authoritarian impulses. But it doesn’t matter. This post > > > > isn’t about what Obama will actually do. It’s about what he wants to do, > > > > what his desires are *vis a vis* the American people — and it’s very clear > > > > that his desire is antithetical to the American essence. He wants to limit > > > > or destroy individual liberties. > > > > > Politically, too, Obama’s impulses are all antithetical to liberty. Again, > > > > some examples: > > > > > - He has turned against the only democratic nation in the Middle East > > > > (that would be Israel), in favor of the bloodied tyrannical theocracies on > > > > her borders. > > > > - By reversing his pledge to keep a missile defense system in place in > > > > Poland and the Czech Republic, he has favored Iran’s Muslim tyranny over > > > > these democratic nations only so recently freed from Communism. > > > > - Figuratively and literally, he bows to dictators (Saudis, Venezuelans, > > > > Russians, Iranians, Cubans). They ask, he gives. In other words, contrary > > > > to America’s hundred year history of siding with the people against their > > > > tyrants, he sides with the tyrants against their people. > > > > - In Honduras, he sided with the delusional Zelaya against the people and > > > > the Constitution. > > > > - In Iran, when the people took to the streets, he sided with the > > > > megalomaniac theocracy, against the people. > > > > - In his much-heralded speech to the Muslim world, in addition to > > > … > > > read more »- Hide quoted text – > > > – Show quoted text -
Zeb,
Sorry you don’t believe in freedom, or the 1st Ammendmendment to the Constituion. Not my problem.
On Oct 23, 1:44 pm, Zebnick wrote: > Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is > concerned. > > On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick wrote: > > > > There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, > > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- > > > American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America > > > to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, > > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s > > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > Song > > > > > > The gay agenda that > > > > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > > > > > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than > > > > > allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to control content. > > > > > - His FCC wants to control the > > > > > internet , > > > > > which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it critical of Obama. > > > > > - Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to create a > > > > > civilian national security > > > > > force , > > > > > subordinate to the administration, which would be larger than the American > > > > > military. The military, please note, is controlled by the Constitution and > > > > > has traditionally existed as a separate entity from any government. > > > > > - He wants to take away the right to bear arms. He’ll pay lip service to > > > > > supporting the Second Amendment, but his fundamental goal is to use > > > > > government to remove arms from > > > > > individuals . > > > > > I’ve never held a gun in my life, but I know that the Founders understood > > > > > that, for individuals, their single biggest defense against an overreaching > > > > > government, is the right to arm themselves. Statists never allow their > > > > > citizens to bear arms. Indeed, the first thing the Nazis did was ban guns > > > > > in citizen’s hands. > > > > > - He wants to redistribute > > > > > wealth . > > > > > Without money, people have no choices. The more money the government > > > > > siphons to itself, the fewer choices we, as individuals have, which makes us > > > > > increasingly subordinate to the government. > > > > > > Of course, not all these Obama dreams will become reality. As I noted > > > > > above, Obama has been trying to delete evidence that he ever dreamt about a > > > > > huge civilian security force at his beck and call. And with other dreams > > > > > (for example, the Second Amendment) he’s doing a fancy dance by which he > > > > > tries to hide his authoritarian impulses. But it doesn’t matter. This post > > > > > isn’t about what Obama will actually do. It’s about what he wants to do, > > > > > what his desires are *vis a vis* the American people — and it’s very clear > > > > > that his desire is antithetical to the American essence. He wants to limit > > > > > or destroy individual liberties. > > > > > > Politically, too, Obama’s impulses are all antithetical to liberty. Again, > > > > > some examples: > > > > > > - He has turned against the only democratic nation in the Middle East > > > > > (that would be Israel), in favor of the bloodied tyrannical > > … > > read more »- Hide quoted text – > > – Show quoted text -
Actually Hollywood, what you’re doing is citing some of the benefits of being an American. That you take advantage of those benefits does not prove you’re not anti-American.
On Oct 23, 3:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > Zeb, > > Sorry you don’t believe in freedom, or the 1st Ammendmendment to the > Constituion. Not my problem. > > On Oct 23, 1:44 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is > > concerned. > > > On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > Zeb, > > > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > > > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > > > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, > > > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- > > > > American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America > > > > to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, > > > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s > > > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > > > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > Song > > > > > > > The gay agenda that > > > > > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > > > > > > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than > > > > > > allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to control content. > > > > > > - His FCC wants to control the > > > > > > internet , > > > > > > which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it critical of Obama. > > > > > > - Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to create a > > > > > > civilian national security > > > > > > force , > > > > > > subordinate to the administration, which would be larger than the American > > > > > > military. The military, please note, is controlled by the Constitution and > > > > > > has traditionally existed as a separate entity from any government. > > > > > > - He wants to take away the right to bear arms. He’ll pay lip service to > > > > > > supporting the Second Amendment, but his fundamental goal is to use > > > > > > government to remove arms from > > > > > > individuals . > > > > > > I’ve never held a gun in my life, but I know that the Founders understood > > > > > > that, for individuals, their single biggest defense against an overreaching > > > > > > government, is the right to arm themselves. Statists never allow their > > > > > > citizens to bear arms. Indeed, the first thing the Nazis did was ban guns > > > > > > in citizen’s hands. > > > > > > - He wants to redistribute > > > > > > wealth . > > > > > > Without money, people have no choices. The more money the government > > > > > > siphons to itself, the fewer choices we, as individuals have, which makes us > > > > > > increasingly subordinate to the government. > > > > > > > Of course, not all these Obama dreams will become reality. As I noted > > > > > > above, Obama has been trying to delete evidence that he ever dreamt about a > > > > > > huge civilian security force at his beck and call. And with other dreams > > > > > > (for example, the Second Amendment) he’s doing a fancy dance by which he > > > > > > tries to hide his authoritarian impulses. But it doesn’t matter. This post > > > > > > isn’t about what Obama will actually do. It’s about what he wants to do, > > > > > > what his desires are *vis a vis* the American > > … > > read more »
Plain,
Hunted down and WHAT BOB? Given a thorough tongue- lashing, strapped into a chair and forced to watch Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck until they join the Republican Party? What? You’re so full of shit I’ll bet your eyes are brown.
On Oct 23, 4:07 pm, plainolamerican wrote: > it will be when socialists are hunted down like the animals they are > > On Oct 23, 2:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > Sorry you don’t believe in freedom, or the 1st Ammendmendment to the > > Constituion. Not my problem. > > > On Oct 23, 1:44 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is > > > concerned. > > > > On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > > > > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > > > > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, > > > > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > > > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- > > > > > American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America > > > > > to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, > > > > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > > > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > > > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s > > > > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > > > > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** ********************************************** > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > > Song > > > > > > > > The gay agenda that > > > > > > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > > > > > > > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than > > > > > > > allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to control content. > > > > > > > - His FCC wants to control the > > > > > > > internet , > > > > > > > which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it critical of Obama. > > > > > > > - Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to create a > > > > > > > civilian national security > > > > > > > force , > > > > > > > subordinate to the administration, which would be larger than the American > > > > > > > military. The military, please note, is controlled by the Constitution and > > > > > > > has traditionally existed as a separate entity from any government. > > > > > > > - He wants to take away the right to bear arms. He’ll pay lip service to > > > > > > > supporting the Second Amendment, but his fundamental goal is to use > > > > > > > government to remove arms from > > > > > > > individuals . > > > > > > > I’ve never held a gun in my life, but I know that the Founders understood > > > > > > > that, for individuals, their single biggest defense against an overreaching > > > > > > > government, is the right to arm themselves. Statists never allow their > > > > > > > citizens to bear arms. Indeed, the first thing the Nazis did was ban guns > > > > > > > in citizen’s hands. > > > > > > > - He wants to redistribute > > > > > > > wealth . > > > > > > > Without money, people have no choices. The more money the government > > > > > > > siphons to itself, the fewer choices we, as individuals have, which makes us > > > > > > > increasingly subordinate to the government. > > > > > > > > Of course, not all these Obama dreams will become reality. As I noted > > > > > > > above, Obama has been trying to delete evidence that he ever dreamt about a > > > > > > > huge > > … > > read more »- Hide quoted text – > > – Show quoted text -
frankg,
My point should be obvious. One can diisagree with what the President is doing as vocally as one wishes, one can also approve and support the president as vocally as one wishes. As long as the law is obeyed and ALL parties rights respected NO ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN manner. All this “Anti-American” talk is complete bullshit.
On Oct 23, 4:09 pm, frankg wrote: > Actually Hollywood, what you’re doing is citing some of the benefits > of being an American. That you take advantage of those benefits does > not prove you’re not anti-American. > > On Oct 23, 3:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > Sorry you don’t believe in freedom, or the 1st Ammendmendment to the > > Constituion. Not my problem. > > > On Oct 23, 1:44 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is > > > concerned. > > > > On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > > > > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > > > > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, > > > > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > > > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- > > > > > American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America > > > > > to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, > > > > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > > > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > > > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s > > > > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > > > > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > > Song > > > > > > > > The gay agenda that > > > > > > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > > > > > > > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than > > > > > > > allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to control content. > > > > > > > - His FCC wants to control the > > > > > > > internet , > > > > > > > which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it critical of Obama. > > > > > > > - Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to create a > > > > > > > civilian national security > > > > > > > force , > > > > > > > subordinate to the administration, which would be larger than the American > > > > > > > military. The military, please note, is controlled by the Constitution and > > > > > > > has traditionally existed as a separate entity from any government. > > > > > > > - He wants to take away the right to bear arms. He’ll pay lip service to > > > > > > > supporting the Second Amendment, but his fundamental goal is to use > > > > > > > government to remove arms from > > > > > > > individuals . > > > > > > > I’ve never held a gun in my life, but I know that the Founders understood > > > > > > > that, for individuals, their single biggest defense against an overreaching > > > > > > > government, is the right to arm themselves. Statists never allow their > > > > > > > citizens to bear arms. Indeed, the first thing the Nazis did was ban guns > > > > > > > in citizen’s hands. > > > > > > > - He wants to redistribute > > > > > > > wealth . > > > > > > > Without money, people have no choices. The more money the government > > > > > > > siphons to itself, the fewer choices we, as individuals have, which makes us > > > > > > > increasingly subordinate to the government. > > > > > > > > Of course, not all these Obama dreams will become reality. As I noted > > … > > read more »- Hide quoted text – > > – Show quoted text -
Plain,
My mind works just fine. In the nuclear age we are ALL at least potential “war fodder”. BTW, the correct term is “cannon fodder”.
Why do you assume it was “blind”?
EVERYONE fights for the lies of some politicians somewhere. The people that have to do the fighting rarely, if ever, are given the authority/ right to decide who, when, why and where to fight
Then why the fuck do you lads scream SOCIALISM at Obama’s economic decisions/policies
On Oct 23, 4:05 pm, plainolamerican wrote: > As a chickenshit civilian I realize you never took the oath I did > when > I joined the Marine Corps. > — > yeah, you were nothing but a mindless turned into war fodder > > You can Google it and see how accurate I am > if you wish. It’s the same oath ALL military people take and very > similar to the one AA elected officials take. > — > blind allegiance is foolish > > It goes something like this:” I swear to preserve and protect the > Constituion of the United Staes from all enemies both domestic and > foreign > — > the gooks in VN never attacked the USA – you were fighting for the > lies of politicians > > and to obey the orders (legal orders) or the NCO’s and > officers appointed over me” > — > a mindless warmonger > > NOW dumbass. > — > what, dickhead? > > Tell me where I swore to protect a particular ECONOMIC > SYSTEM, a particular ideaology, a particular religion, a particular > political party, or any individual. > — > you joined giving them the right to send you into a suicide mission > only warmongers and religious nuts allow themselves to be sacrificed > > TELL me where the U.S. Constituion requires the U.S. to follow a > certain economic system? > — > socialism is not an economic system > did you ever go to school? > > Trumped? > — > and trounced > > My dying ass chickenshit BOB. > — > you wanna live forever? > > On Oct 23, 11:05 am, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > Plain, > > > As a chickenshit civilian I realize you never took the oath I did when > > I joined the Marine Corps. You can Google it and see how accurate I am > > if you wish. It’s the same oath ALL military people take and very > > similar to the one AA elected officials take. > > It goes something like this:” I swear to preserve and protect the > > Constituion of the United Staes from all enemies both domestic and > > foreign and to obey the orders (legal orders) or the NCO’s and > > officers appointed over me” > > > NOW dumbass. Tell me where I swore to protect a particular ECONOMIC > > SYSTEM, a particular ideaology, a particular religion, a particular > > political party, or any individual. > > TELL me where the U.S. Constituion requires the U.S. to follow a > > certain economic system? > > > Trumped? My dying ass chickenshit BOB. > > > On Oct 23, 10:18 am, plainolamerican
> > wrote: > > > > you really ARE a traitor to the U.S. Constituion. > > > — > > > no, you are by helping socialists take control of our nation > > > > Fucking hypocritical > > > traitor. > > > — > > > fuck you and your dead mother, socialist warmonger > > > > as you can see, your insults will always be trumped, old man > > > > On Oct 23, 9:57 am, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > Plain, > > > > > OH, so you really ARE a traitor to the U.S. Constituion. Freedom just > > > > fine you say, just so as the voting so your way. Fucking hypocritical > > > > traitor. > > > > > On Oct 22, 10:40 pm, plainolamerican
> > > > wrote: > > > > > > How about coming up with > > > > > BETTER ideas and winning at the voting booth? > > > > > — > > > > > no > > > > > > the USA is not a democracy > > > > > we cannot leave allow the socialists to “purchase” our nation > > > > > > On Oct 22, 9:31 am, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > Plain, > > > > > > > Here’s a crazy idea BOB (Buckets Of Blood). How about coming up with > > > > > > BETTER ideas and winning at the voting booth? > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 7:39 am, plainolamerican
wrote: > > > > > > > > Barack Obama is anti-American because he wants to change this > > > > > > > American > > > > > > > essence. His domestic policy is directed at increasing government > > > > > > > control > > > > > > > in every area, which decreases individual liberty > > > > > > > — > > > > > > > spot on! > > > > > > > > it just may take buckets of blood to remove these socialists from our > > > > > > > nation > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 3:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > > > Song > > > > > > > > > The gay agenda
Sorry you’re a retard and can’t comprehend simple statements. Not my problem. Maybe your nurse can assist you with this “complicated” issue.
On Oct 23, 3:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > Zeb, > > Sorry you don’t believe in freedom, or the 1st Ammendmendment to the > Constituion. Not my problem. > > On Oct 23, 1:44 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is > > concerned. > > > On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > Zeb, > > > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > > > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > > > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, > > > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- > > > > American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America > > > > to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, > > > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s > > > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > > > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > Song > > > > > > > The gay agenda that > > > > > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > > > > > > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than > > > > > > allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to control content. > > > > > > - His FCC wants to control the > > > > > > internet , > > > > > > which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it critical of Obama. > > > > > > - Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to create a > > > > > > civilian national security > > > > > > force , > > > > > > subordinate to the administration, which would be larger than the American > > > > > > military. The military, please note, is controlled by the Constitution and > > > > > > has traditionally existed as a separate entity from any government. > > > > > > - He wants to take away the right to bear arms. He’ll pay lip service to > > > > > > supporting the Second Amendment, but his fundamental goal is to use > > > > > > government to remove arms from > > > > > > individuals . > > > > > > I’ve never held a gun in my life, but I know that the Founders understood > > > > > > that, for individuals, their single biggest defense against an overreaching > > > > > > government, is the right to arm themselves. Statists never allow their > > > > > > citizens to bear arms. Indeed, the first thing the Nazis did was ban guns > > > > > > in citizen’s hands. > > > > > > - He wants to redistribute > > > > > > wealth . > > > > > > Without money, people have no choices. The more money the government > > > > > > siphons to itself, the fewer choices we, as individuals have, which makes us > > > > > > increasingly subordinate to the government. > > > > > > > Of course, not all these Obama dreams will become reality. As I noted > > > > > > above, Obama has been trying to delete evidence that he ever dreamt about a > > > > > > huge civilian security force at his beck and call. And with other dreams > > > > > > (for example, the Second Amendment) he’s doing a fancy dance by which he > > > > > > tries to hide his authoritarian impulses. But it doesn’t matter. This post > > > > > > isn’t about what Obama will actually do. It’s about what he wants to do, > > > > > > what his desires are *vis a vis* the American > > … > > read more »
>As long as the law is obeyed and ALL parties rights respected NO >ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN manner.
Don’t be a fuckin boob. Our first amendment ALLOWS people to be anti- American LEGALLY. Get a grip, Mr. Minutia,
On Oct 23, 6:29 pm, Hollywood wrote: > frankg, > > My point should be obvious. One can diisagree with what the President > is doing as vocally as one wishes, one can also approve and support > the president as vocally as one wishes. As long as the law is obeyed > and ALL parties rights respected NO ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN > manner. > All this “Anti-American” talk is complete bullshit. > > On Oct 23, 4:09 pm, frankg wrote: > > > Actually Hollywood, what you’re doing is citing some of the benefits > > of being an American. That you take advantage of those benefits does > > not prove you’re not anti-American. > > > On Oct 23, 3:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > Zeb, > > > > Sorry you don’t believe in freedom, or the 1st Ammendmendment to the > > > Constituion. Not my problem. > > > > On Oct 23, 1:44 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is > > > > concerned. > > > > > On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > > > > > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > > > > > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, > > > > > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > > > > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- > > > > > > American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America > > > > > > to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, > > > > > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > > > > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > > > > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s > > > > > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > > > > > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > > > Song > > > > > > > > > The gay agenda that > > > > > > > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > > > > > > > > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than > > > > > > > > allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to control content. > > > > > > > > - His FCC wants to control the > > > > > > > > internet , > > > > > > > > which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it critical of Obama. > > > > > > > > - Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to create a > > > > > > > > civilian national security > > > > > > > > force , > > > > > > > > subordinate to the administration, which would be larger than the American > > > > > > > > military. The military, please note, is controlled by the Constitution and > > > > > > > > has traditionally existed as a separate entity from any government. > > > > > > > > - He wants to take away the right to bear arms. He’ll pay lip service to > > > > > > > > supporting the Second Amendment, but his fundamental goal is to use > > > > > > > > government to remove arms from > > > > > > > > individuals . > > > > > > > > I’ve never held a gun in my life, but I know that the Founders understood > > > > > > > > that, for individuals, their single biggest defense against an overreaching > > … > > read more »
Zeb,
Please, you definition of anti-American is apparantly anything you don’t happen to agree with, at a given moment.
On Oct 23, 10:13 pm, Zebnick wrote: > >As long as the law is obeyed and ALL parties rights respected NO >ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN manner. > > Don’t be a fuckin boob. Our first amendment ALLOWS people to be anti- > American LEGALLY. Get a grip, Mr. Minutia, > > On Oct 23, 6:29 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > frankg, > > > My point should be obvious. One can diisagree with what the President > > is doing as vocally as one wishes, one can also approve and support > > the president as vocally as one wishes. As long as the law is obeyed > > and ALL parties rights respected NO ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN > > manner. > > All this “Anti-American” talk is complete bullshit. > > > On Oct 23, 4:09 pm, frankg wrote: > > > > Actually Hollywood, what you’re doing is citing some of the benefits > > > of being an American. That you take advantage of those benefits does > > > not prove you’re not anti-American. > > > > On Oct 23, 3:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > Sorry you don’t believe in freedom, or the 1st Ammendmendment to the > > > > Constituion. Not my problem. > > > > > On Oct 23, 1:44 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is > > > > > concerned. > > > > > > On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > > > > > > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > > > > > > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > > There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, > > > > > > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > > > > > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- > > > > > > > American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America > > > > > > > to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, > > > > > > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > > > > > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > > > > > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s > > > > > > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > > > > > > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > > > > Song > > > > > > > > > > The gay agenda that > > > > > > > > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > > > > > > > > > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than > > > > > > > > > allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to control content. > > > > > > > > > - His FCC wants to control the > > > > > > > > > internet , > > > > > > > > > which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it critical of Obama. > > > > > > > > > - Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to create a > > > > > > > > > civilian national security > > > > > > > > > force , > > > > > > > > > subordinate to the administration, which would be larger than the American > > > > > > > > > military. The military, please note, is controlled by the Constitution and > > > > > > > > > has traditionally existed as a separate entity from any > > … > > read more »- Hide quoted text – > > – Show quoted text -
It has not yet been established if Obama IS American let alone anti-American. He copuld possibly be an anti-American non- American for all we know.
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On Oct 23, 11:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > Zeb, > > Please, you definition of anti-American is apparantly anything you > don’t happen to agree with, at a given moment. > > On Oct 23, 10:13 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > >As long as the law is obeyed and ALL parties rights respected NO >ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN manner. > > > Don’t be a fuckin boob. Our first amendment ALLOWS people to be anti- > > American LEGALLY. Get a grip, Mr. Minutia, > > > On Oct 23, 6:29 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > frankg, > > > > My point should be obvious. One can diisagree with what the President > > > is doing as vocally as one wishes, one can also approve and support > > > the president as vocally as one wishes. As long as the law is obeyed > > > and ALL parties rights respected NO ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN > > > manner. > > > All this “Anti-American” talk is complete bullshit. > > > > On Oct 23, 4:09 pm, frankg wrote: > > > > > Actually Hollywood, what you’re doing is citing some of the benefits > > > > of being an American. That you take advantage of those benefits does > > > > not prove you’re not anti-American. > > > > > On Oct 23, 3:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > Sorry you don’t believe in freedom, or the 1st Ammendmendment to the > > > > > Constituion. Not my problem. > > > > > > On Oct 23, 1:44 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is > > > > > > concerned. > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > > > > > > > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > > > > > > > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > > > There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, > > > > > > > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > > > > > > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- > > > > > > > > American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America > > > > > > > > to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, > > > > > > > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > > > > > > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > > > > > > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s > > > > > > > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > > > > > > > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > > > > > Song > > > > > > > > > > > The gay agenda that > > > > > > > > > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > > > > > > > > > > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than > > > > > > > > > > allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to control content. > > > > > > > > > > - His FCC wants to control the > > > > > > > > > > internet , > > > > > > > > > > which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it critical of Obama. > > > > > > > > > > - Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to > > … > > read more »- Hide quoted text – > > – Show quoted text -
Sage2,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it also hasn’t been established that he’s not a fucking alien
On Oct 23, 11:18 pm, Sage2 wrote: > It has not yet been established if Obama IS American let > alone anti-American. He copuld possibly be an anti-American non- > American for all we know. > > ******************************************************* > > On Oct 23, 11:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > Please, you definition of anti-American is apparantly anything you > > don’t happen to agree with, at a given moment. > > > On Oct 23, 10:13 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > >As long as the law is obeyed and ALL parties rights respected NO >ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN manner. > > > > Don’t be a fuckin boob. Our first amendment ALLOWS people to be anti- > > > American LEGALLY. Get a grip, Mr. Minutia, > > > > On Oct 23, 6:29 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > frankg, > > > > > My point should be obvious. One can diisagree with what the President > > > > is doing as vocally as one wishes, one can also approve and support > > > > the president as vocally as one wishes. As long as the law is obeyed > > > > and ALL parties rights respected NO ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN > > > > manner. > > > > All this “Anti-American” talk is complete bullshit. > > > > > On Oct 23, 4:09 pm, frankg wrote: > > > > > > Actually Hollywood, what you’re doing is citing some of the benefits > > > > > of being an American. That you take advantage of those benefits does > > > > > not prove you’re not anti-American. > > > > > > On Oct 23, 3:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > Sorry you don’t believe in freedom, or the 1st Ammendmendment to the > > > > > > Constituion. Not my problem. > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 1:44 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > > Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is > > > > > > > concerned. > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > > > > > > > > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > > > > > > > > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, > > > > > > > > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > > > > > > > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- > > > > > > > > > American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America > > > > > > > > > to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, > > > > > > > > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > > > > > > > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > > > > > > > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s > > > > > > > > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > > > > > > > > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > > > > > > Song > > > > > > > > > > > > The gay agenda that > > > > > > > > > > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the > > … > > read more »- Hide quoted text – > > – Show quoted text -
Hollywood,
I was just busting your balls… your point was obvious.
However, I don’t entirely agree with you that this anti-American talk is “complete bullshit”. Efforts by this administration to marginalize or suppress dissenting opinions are decidedly not American behavior. Apparently, while YOU understand that one can disagree with the President, the President does not.
On Oct 23, 6:29 pm, Hollywood wrote: > frankg, > > My point should be obvious. One can diisagree with what the President > is doing as vocally as one wishes, one can also approve and support > the president as vocally as one wishes. As long as the law is obeyed > and ALL parties rights respected NO ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN > manner. > All this “Anti-American” talk is complete bullshit. > > On Oct 23, 4:09 pm, frankg wrote: > > > Actually Hollywood, what you’re doing is citing some of the benefits > > of being an American. That you take advantage of those benefits does > > not prove you’re not anti-American. > > > On Oct 23, 3:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > Zeb, > > > > Sorry you don’t believe in freedom, or the 1st Ammendmendment to the > > > Constituion. Not my problem. > > > > On Oct 23, 1:44 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is > > > > concerned. > > > > > On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > > > > > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > > > > > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, > > > > > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > > > > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- > > > > > > American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America > > > > > > to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, > > > > > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > > > > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > > > > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s > > > > > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > > > > > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > > > Song > > > > > > > > > The gay agenda that > > > > > > > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > > > > > > > > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than > > > > > > > > allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to control content. > > > > > > > > - His FCC wants to control the > > > > > > > > internet , > > > > > > > > which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it critical of Obama. > > > > > > > > - Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to create a > > > > > > > > civilian national security > > > > > > > > force , > > > > > > > > subordinate to the administration, which would be larger than the American > > > > > > > > military. The military, please note, is controlled by the Constitution and > > > > > > > > has traditionally existed as a separate entity from any government. > > > > > > > > - He wants to take away the right to bear arms. He’ll pay lip service to > > > > > > > > supporting the Second Amendment, but his fundamental goal is to use > > > > > > > > government to remove arms from > > > > > > > > individuals . > > > > > > > > I’ve never held a gun in my life, but I know that the Founders understood > > > > > > > > that, for individuals, their single biggest defense against an overreaching > > … > > read more »
He IS an ” alien ” ! He has alienated himself from Fox News and real tough questioning. He has established himself as a media ” coward ” and wants to be pampered by the leftist liberal socialist media at all times. He wants the glory without the work, a celebrity without cause nor guts. He wants to vote ” present’!
************************************************************************************************* On Oct 24, 12:30 am, Hollywood wrote: > Sage2, > > Yeah, yeah, yeah, it also hasn’t been established that he’s not a > fucking alien > > On Oct 23, 11:18 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > It has not yet been established if Obama IS American let > > alone anti-American. He copuld possibly be an anti-American non- > > American for all we know. > > > ******************************************************* > > > On Oct 23, 11:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > Zeb, > > > > Please, you definition of anti-American is apparantly anything you > > > don’t happen to agree with, at a given moment. > > > > On Oct 23, 10:13 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > >As long as the law is obeyed and ALL parties rights respected NO >ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN manner. > > > > > Don’t be a fuckin boob. Our first amendment ALLOWS people to be anti- > > > > American LEGALLY. Get a grip, Mr. Minutia, > > > > > On Oct 23, 6:29 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > My point should be obvious. One can diisagree with what the President > > > > > is doing as vocally as one wishes, one can also approve and support > > > > > the president as vocally as one wishes. As long as the law is obeyed > > > > > and ALL parties rights respected NO ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN > > > > > manner. > > > > > All this “Anti-American” talk is complete bullshit. > > > > > > On Oct 23, 4:09 pm, frankg wrote: > > > > > > > Actually Hollywood, what you’re doing is citing some of the benefits > > > > > > of being an American. That you take advantage of those benefits does > > > > > > not prove you’re not anti-American. > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 3:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > Sorry you don’t believe in freedom, or the 1st Ammendmendment to the > > > > > > > Constituion. Not my problem. > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 1:44 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is > > > > > > > > concerned. > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > > > > > > > > > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > > > > > > > > > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, > > > > > > > > > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > > > > > > > > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- > > > > > > > > > > American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America > > > > > > > > > > to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, > > > > > > > > > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > > > > > > > > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > > > > > > > > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s > > > > > > > > > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > > > > > > > > > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > > > > > > > Song > > > > > > > > > > > > > The gay agenda
I didn’t define anti-American. YOU did, sonny boy.
On Oct 23, 11:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > Zeb, > > Please, you definition of anti-American is apparantly anything you > don’t happen to agree with, at a given moment. > > On Oct 23, 10:13 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > >As long as the law is obeyed and ALL parties rights respected NO >ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN manner. > > > Don’t be a fuckin boob. Our first amendment ALLOWS people to be anti- > > American LEGALLY. Get a grip, Mr. Minutia, > > > On Oct 23, 6:29 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > frankg, > > > > My point should be obvious. One can diisagree with what the President > > > is doing as vocally as one wishes, one can also approve and support > > > the president as vocally as one wishes. As long as the law is obeyed > > > and ALL parties rights respected NO ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN > > > manner. > > > All this “Anti-American” talk is complete bullshit. > > > > On Oct 23, 4:09 pm, frankg wrote: > > > > > Actually Hollywood, what you’re doing is citing some of the benefits > > > > of being an American. That you take advantage of those benefits does > > > > not prove you’re not anti-American. > > > > > On Oct 23, 3:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > Sorry you don’t believe in freedom, or the 1st Ammendmendment to the > > > > > Constituion. Not my problem. > > > > > > On Oct 23, 1:44 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is > > > > > > concerned. > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > > > > > > > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > > > > > > > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > > > There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, > > > > > > > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > > > > > > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- > > > > > > > > American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America > > > > > > > > to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, > > > > > > > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > > > > > > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > > > > > > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s > > > > > > > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > > > > > > > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > > > > > Song > > > > > > > > > > > The gay agenda that > > > > > > > > > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > > > > > > > > > > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than > > > > > > > > > > allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to control content. > > > > > > > > > > - His FCC wants to control the > > > > > > > > > > internet , > > > > > > > > > > which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it critical of Obama. > > > > > > > > > > - Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to > > … > > read more »
Sgae,
Other than Fox News, who gives a fuck?
On Oct 23, 11:40 pm, Sage2 wrote: > He IS an ” alien ” ! He has alienated himself from Fox News > and real tough questioning. He has established himself as a media ” > coward ” and wants to be pampered by the leftist liberal socialist > media at all times. He wants the glory without the work, a celebrity > without cause nor guts. He wants to vote ” present’! > > ************************************************************************************************* > On Oct 24, 12:30 am, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > Sage2, > > > Yeah, yeah, yeah, it also hasn’t been established that he’s not a > > fucking alien > > > On Oct 23, 11:18 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > It has not yet been established if Obama IS American let > > > alone anti-American. He copuld possibly be an anti-American non- > > > American for all we know. > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > On Oct 23, 11:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > Please, you definition of anti-American is apparantly anything you > > > > don’t happen to agree with, at a given moment. > > > > > On Oct 23, 10:13 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > >As long as the law is obeyed and ALL parties rights respected NO >ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN manner. > > > > > > Don’t be a fuckin boob. Our first amendment ALLOWS people to be anti- > > > > > American LEGALLY. Get a grip, Mr. Minutia, > > > > > > On Oct 23, 6:29 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > > My point should be obvious. One can diisagree with what the President > > > > > > is doing as vocally as one wishes, one can also approve and support > > > > > > the president as vocally as one wishes. As long as the law is obeyed > > > > > > and ALL parties rights respected NO ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN > > > > > > manner. > > > > > > All this “Anti-American” talk is complete bullshit. > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 4:09 pm, frankg wrote: > > > > > > > > Actually Hollywood, what you’re doing is citing some of the benefits > > > > > > > of being an American. That you take advantage of those benefits does > > > > > > > not prove you’re not anti-American. > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 3:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > > Sorry you don’t believe in freedom, or the 1st Ammendmendment to the > > > > > > > > Constituion. Not my problem. > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 1:44 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is > > > > > > > > > concerned. > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > > > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > > > > > > > > > > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > > > > > > > > > > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, > > > > > > > > > > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > > > > > > > > > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- > > > > > > > > > > > American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America > > > > > > > > > > > to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, > > > > > > > > > > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > > > > > > > > > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > > > > > > > > > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s > > > > > > > > > > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > > > > > > > > > > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > Song > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The gay agenda
Zeb,
Jeez lad, within the context of the bullshit “debates” that go on here “anti-American” pretty much means anything the user of the term says it does.
On Oct 23, 11:42 pm, Zebnick wrote: > I didn’t define anti-American. YOU did, sonny boy. > > On Oct 23, 11:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > Please, you definition of anti-American is apparantly anything you > > don’t happen to agree with, at a given moment. > > > On Oct 23, 10:13 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > >As long as the law is obeyed and ALL parties rights respected NO >ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN manner. > > > > Don’t be a fuckin boob. Our first amendment ALLOWS people to be anti- > > > American LEGALLY. Get a grip, Mr. Minutia, > > > > On Oct 23, 6:29 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > frankg, > > > > > My point should be obvious. One can diisagree with what the President > > > > is doing as vocally as one wishes, one can also approve and support > > > > the president as vocally as one wishes. As long as the law is obeyed > > > > and ALL parties rights respected NO ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN > > > > manner. > > > > All this “Anti-American” talk is complete bullshit. > > > > > On Oct 23, 4:09 pm, frankg wrote: > > > > > > Actually Hollywood, what you’re doing is citing some of the benefits > > > > > of being an American. That you take advantage of those benefits does > > > > > not prove you’re not anti-American. > > > > > > On Oct 23, 3:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > Sorry you don’t believe in freedom, or the 1st Ammendmendment to the > > > > > > Constituion. Not my problem. > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 1:44 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > > Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is > > > > > > > concerned. > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > > > > > > > > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > > > > > > > > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, > > > > > > > > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > > > > > > > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- > > > > > > > > > American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America > > > > > > > > > to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, > > > > > > > > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > > > > > > > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > > > > > > > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s > > > > > > > > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > > > > > > > > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > > > > > > Song > > > > > > > > > > > > The gay agenda that > > > > > > > > > > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > > > > > > > > > > > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on content, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > allowing the market (that means us, the > > … > > read more »- Hide quoted text – > > – Show quoted text -
Like Obama and most liberals, you seemed annoyed !
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On Oct 24, 10:51 am, Hollywood wrote: > Sgae, > > Other than Fox News, who gives a fuck? > > On Oct 23, 11:40 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > He IS an ” alien ” ! He has alienated himself from Fox News > > and real tough questioning. He has established himself as a media ” > > coward ” and wants to be pampered by the leftist liberal socialist > > media at all times. He wants the glory without the work, a celebrity > > without cause nor guts. He wants to vote ” present’! > > > ************************************************************************************************* > > On Oct 24, 12:30 am, Hollywood wrote: > > > > Sage2, > > > > Yeah, yeah, yeah, it also hasn’t been established that he’s not a > > > fucking alien > > > > On Oct 23, 11:18 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > It has not yet been established if Obama IS American let > > > > alone anti-American. He copuld possibly be an anti-American non- > > > > American for all we know. > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > Please, you definition of anti-American is apparantly anything you > > > > > don’t happen to agree with, at a given moment. > > > > > > On Oct 23, 10:13 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > >As long as the law is obeyed and ALL parties rights respected NO >ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN manner. > > > > > > > Don’t be a fuckin boob. Our first amendment ALLOWS people to be anti- > > > > > > American LEGALLY. Get a grip, Mr. Minutia, > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 6:29 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > > > My point should be obvious. One can diisagree with what the President > > > > > > > is doing as vocally as one wishes, one can also approve and support > > > > > > > the president as vocally as one wishes. As long as the law is obeyed > > > > > > > and ALL parties rights respected NO ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN > > > > > > > manner. > > > > > > > All this “Anti-American” talk is complete bullshit. > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 4:09 pm, frankg wrote: > > > > > > > > > Actually Hollywood, what you’re doing is citing some of the benefits > > > > > > > > of being an American. That you take advantage of those benefits does > > > > > > > > not prove you’re not anti-American. > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 3:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry you don’t believe in freedom, or the 1st Ammendmendment to the > > > > > > > > > Constituion. Not my problem. > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 1:44 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is > > > > > > > > > > concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > > > > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > > > > > > > > > > > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > > > > > > > > > > > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, > > > > > > > > > > > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > > > > > > > > > > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- > > > > > > > > > > > > American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America > > > > > > > > > > > > to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, > > > > > > > > > > > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > > > > > > > > > > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > > > > > > > > > > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s > > > > > > > > > > > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > > > > > > > > > > > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Song > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The gay agenda
Sgae,
Annoyed? I stated a simple fact that you choose to make no attempt to refute. I’m delighted, not annoyed.
On Oct 24, 6:29 pm, Sage2 wrote: > Like Obama and most liberals, you seemed annoyed ! > > ************************************************************************************************************** > > On Oct 24, 10:51 am, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > Sgae, > > > Other than Fox News, who gives a fuck? > > > On Oct 23, 11:40 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > He IS an ” alien ” ! He has alienated himself from Fox News > > > and real tough questioning. He has established himself as a media ” > > > coward ” and wants to be pampered by the leftist liberal socialist > > > media at all times. He wants the glory without the work, a celebrity > > > without cause nor guts. He wants to vote ” present’! > > > > ************************************************************************************************* > > > On Oct 24, 12:30 am, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > Sage2, > > > > > Yeah, yeah, yeah, it also hasn’t been established that he’s not a > > > > fucking alien > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:18 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > > It has not yet been established if Obama IS American let > > > > > alone anti-American. He copuld possibly be an anti-American non- > > > > > American for all we know. > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > Please, you definition of anti-American is apparantly anything you > > > > > > don’t happen to agree with, at a given moment. > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 10:13 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > > >As long as the law is obeyed and ALL parties rights respected NO >ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN manner. > > > > > > > > Don’t be a fuckin boob. Our first amendment ALLOWS people to be anti- > > > > > > > American LEGALLY. Get a grip, Mr. Minutia, > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 6:29 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > > > > My point should be obvious. One can diisagree with what the President > > > > > > > > is doing as vocally as one wishes, one can also approve and support > > > > > > > > the president as vocally as one wishes. As long as the law is obeyed > > > > > > > > and ALL parties rights respected NO ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN > > > > > > > > manner. > > > > > > > > All this “Anti-American” talk is complete bullshit. > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 4:09 pm, frankg wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Actually Hollywood, what you’re doing is citing some of the benefits > > > > > > > > > of being an American. That you take advantage of those benefits does > > > > > > > > > not prove you’re not anti-American. > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 3:37 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry you don’t believe in freedom, or the 1st Ammendmendment to the > > > > > > > > > > Constituion. Not my problem. > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 1:44 pm, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is > > > > > > > > > > > concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > > > > > > > > > > > > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > > > > > > > > > > > > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no text book definition of “what is an American.” However, > > > > > > > > > > > > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > > > > > > > > > > > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be “anti- > > > > > > > > > > > > > American” is because he doesn’t like what many people believe America > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be. His wife doesn’t either. They resent many of the institutions, > > > > > > > > > > > > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > > > > > > > > > > > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > > > > > > > > > > > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and Michelle’s > > > > > > > > > > > > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is however > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Song > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The gay agenda