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On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:08 PM, wrote:

> Just within the past few days,many polls have shown that independents are > drifting to the right and abandoning the liberals:(From the Huffington Post) > *Independent Voters* Shifting Away From Obama, Democrats > 25 Oct 2009 *…* He says *independent voters* are shifting away from > the polices of the Obama *…* Gallup: Independents *Moving* To The *Right > * > > > In a message dated 10/27/2009 5:54:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > spacerace65@aol.com writes: > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 27, 2009, at 4:55 AM, PredatorBC@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/26/2009 10:49:23 PM Central Daylight Time, > ProudLiberal7@aol.com writes: > > *The Washington Post poll was very clear.* > * The Republicans are now defined as the far right party and it scares the > bejesus out of most independents.* > > lol, that poll has been debunked as not impartial. They polled 80% > liberals. > > > LOL! That’s typical of all polls Prick Lips posts. He was complaining the > other day about Rasmussen being unfair because they include a few > Republicans in their polls. > > C… > > > > > >

Just within the past few days,many polls have shown that independents are drifting to the right and abandoning the liberals:(From the Huffington Post)

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On Oct 27, 2009, at 4:55 AM, PredatorBC@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/26/2009 10:49:23 PM Central Daylight Time, ProudLiberal7@aol.com > writes: > The Washington Post poll was very clear. The Republicans are now > defined as the far right party and it scares the bejesus out of most > independents. > lol, that poll has been debunked as not impartial. They polled 80% > liberals.

LOL! That’s typical of all polls Prick Lips posts. He was complaining the other day about Rasmussen being unfair because they include a few Republicans in their polls.

C… > > >

In a message dated 10/26/2009 10:49:23 PM Central Daylight Time, ProudLiberal7@aol.com writes:

Because the Left willing swallowed the kool-aid offered as truth without checking out the facts… Delusional partisan parties do that all the time… Deluded stereo-types all too often is the foundation for diminished rights for all of us. The Geramn 1930 version were called Brownshirts…

Previously Democrats and Republicans limited their crazy ratio to one digit figures… Now the mainstream Democrat party is infected with delusional stereo-types about their RW opposition…

http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/9801.html#more-9801

>>> And make no mistake about it, leftists do harbor dark delusions about non-leftists. The fact that so many leftists fell completely for the Limbaugh quote hoax proves it.

The first rule of a good con or hoax is to appeal to the preconceptions and prejudices of the mark. The scammer weaves a story shot through with details that the scammer knows the mark already believes to be true. Conversely, this means that you can determine what a mark actually believes by observing what cons and hoaxes they fall for.

Watching so many serious journalists and leftist political figures fall for the fake Rush Limbaugh quotes tells us something very frightening about what leftists believe true about non-leftist America. I say, “frightening,” because we evaluate the level of threat that others pose based on our understanding of the amorality of their beliefs. Then we rationalize the harshness of the methods we are willing to employ against them based on our threat assessment. We are much more willing to use draconian methods against people we view as extremely evil than we are against people we judge less evil. As a nation, we were willing to employ much more draconian methods to defeat fascism than we employed to fight anyone else. The same basic principle applies to our internal conflicts as well. The more extreme and dangerous we view our political and social opponents as being, the more tolerant we become of extreme measures to oppose them.

Given this, what does it portend for American non-leftists that a wide and powerful swath of the American left apparently believes it quite credible that a major media figure with an audience in the tens of millions looks back fondly on slavery and approves of political assassination? What draconian methods could those leftists rationalize using if they really believe they are fighting people with such values?

As I have written before, immersion in fantasy is a defining aspect of leftism. As they move progressively towards the left pole of the political spectrum, the realities become more and more immersive while becoming more and more detached from reality. At the far end of the spectrum, the leftists become delusional to the point they believe they are trapped in a gotterdammerung struggle of good versus evil that justifies any action they might take in fighting that struggle. When dangerous fantasies, once the providence of the 5% most radical left, become accepted as true in the 40% just to the left of center, the rest of us are in great danger.

So we have to ask: Just how seriously deluded is the mainstream American left that they believed it credible that Limbaugh actually said the things attributed to him in the fake quotes?

Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh Are Crazy — Yet Corporate Media Legitimize Them When Limbaugh, Beck and Fox news are treated like legitimate players, it causes the rest of the media to run to the right. It’s no coincidence that when members of the media talk about the media these days, they tend to talk about two things: the supposed importance of right-wing media like Fox News, and claims that the rest of the media lean to the left. The two concepts are fundamentally intertwined and mutually reinforcing — and deeply flawed.

It may seem odd that much of the news media would simultaneously pronounce itself guilty of liberal bias and spend the year after a presidential election won convincingly by the more progressive candidate talking about the importance and influence of a conservative cable channel whose viewership consists of about 1 percent of the nation. But both of those somewhat inconsistent media memes can be explained by journalists’ frequent inability to see where the center of the country really is. That inability makes journalists think they are further left of center than they actually are (even assuming they are at all to the left of center). And it makes them inflate the importance of right-wing operatives masquerading as media figures — people who would have far less influence if actual reporters stopped buying their nonsense.

Their hateful views and adversarial relationship with the truth place the likes of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh on the far-right fringe of a party and movement that have lost the popular vote in four of the past five presidential elections and that holds only 40 percent of the seats in Congress. They are on the far-right edge of a party that is far to the right of the rest of the country.

And, it must be said, they do not tell the truth. They lie about things large and small. They lie to smear their adversaries, and they lie for no real reason at all. Their lies should disqualify them from ever being taken seriously. But instead, the media have decided that if anything they say turns out to contain a sliver of truth, everything they say must be paid immediate attention.

That’s what happened when, after years of making absurd claims about ACORN — remember the lie that ACORN was going to get billions of stimulus dollars? — some conservative activists induced a statistically insignificant number of the organization’s low-level employees to behave badly. The rest of the media rushed to cover the “scandal” — and to beat themselves up for not having taken their cues from Beck & Co. sooner. The ombudsmen for the The Washington Post and The New York Times, for example, scolded their papers for being too slow to report on Beck-generated controversies and gave credence to conservative claims that the delay was the result of liberal bias.

What few journalists seem to understand is that once you accept someone like Glenn Beck as a legitimate media figure, it skews your view of the rest of the media. This is not a new phenomenon — not by any means. More than two years ago, I argued that once you accept Ann Coulter, who calls John Edwards a “faggot,” as a legitimate guest on shows like NBC’s Today, New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd — who merely calls Edwards a “girl” — seems positively reasonable. Thus the entire media discourse is shoved in the direction of its least legitimate participants. http://www.alternet.org/story/143341/glenn_beck_and_rush_limbaugh_are…

At least this bumbling idiot showed some class and apologized. He owes Rush the apology not his audience.

http://www.breitbart.tv/cnns-sanchez-should-not-have-reported-unconfirmed-limbaugh-quote/

Bill “To be a liberal is to be a liar”