NRM will get Buganda vote – Okurut
Mary Karooro Okurut (right) registering for the NEC meeting at the NRM Secretariat in Kyadondo ahead of a NEC meeting
BESIDE asserting that the National Resistance Movement (NRM) will get a landslide victory in the 2011 general elections, the party spokesperson, Mary Karooro Okurut, has said the party will defeat the opposition in Buganda. Moses Mulondo interviewed her.
Q: The NRM leaders are very difficult to get for press interviews. Do they fearthe press? A: Some may be difficult to get, but not all of them. And you can’t use the word fear. Why fear? Not everyone should be speaking to the media on each and everything, and even then, I don’t think it is right to media-monger just because you want media attention like some politicians, especially in the opposition, do. NRM leaders are always available whenever there is an issue to explain to the members and the public — and you will not find our objective explanations wanting. * Do your leaders behave like that because they think they are assured of victory in the 2011 elections?* I think some may be shy and do not want to speak for the sake of it, while others perhaps need more exposure and orientation on how the media works so that they appreciate the media as a major component of our struggle, democratisation and, therefore, an ally that one ought not to take for granted. The media has so much influence that it can either make or destroy you. So, we shall continue to discuss that matter internally. * Will the NRM win the 2011 elections? Yes, we are confident that the NRM will win the 2011 elections with a higher margin for the President and many more seats both at parliamentary and local government levels, regardless of what some critics may be saying.
Which prospects confirm your predictions? First, our record of good performance in all the major areas speaks for itself. We all live in this country and we know that the population of Ugandans and non-Ugandans believe in the credibility and ability of the NRM to offer better security, peace and stability throughout the country.
The LRA war in the north is completely gone, people are back from IDP camps to near-normal life, services like education, roads, water, health care and others are being delivered. Maybe not yet satisfactorily, but many people appreciate and will vote for the NRM.
Our assessment is that the NRM will make major political and electoral inroads in the north, northwest and Teso sub-region. The realignment can be seen from opposition leaders crossing and seeking to stand for NRM positions. In other parts of the country, the party is expanding and consolidating its gains — there are no major reversals.
Our landslide victory in most of the recent parliamentary by-elections and the local government elections is an indication of our strength. Our dominance in Parliament, which accounts for over two thirds of the total number of MPs, informs objective analysts that the opposition still has a very long way to go to have access to power.
After Universal Primary Education (UPE) and Universal Secondary Education (USE), which new programmes will you offer Ugandans in 2011? The NRM is not in the habit of promising for the sake of it. There is a manifesto review team, which is yet to come up with an objective assessment of our performance and what more needs to be done. However, we are going to consolidate the gains already made in all the other programmes under implementation. We need to improve the quality of education by training, equipping and remunerating teachers better and supervising management better. This will be done in the health, road and energy sectors, among others. We shall expand programmes like the National Agricultural Advisory Services (NAADS) and USE to cover more recipients.
Has the NRM fulfilled its 2006 election manifesto? Nearly everything that was promised in the manifesto is being implemented and is at different stages. We can’t say that all have been fulfilled. UPE, USE, Bonna Bagaggawale (Prosperity for All), rural safe water, electricity, trunk and feeder roads and security are all up. We have not abandoned any of the promises on account of either lack of resources or change in priorities. Everything is on course.
What became of the Bonna Bagaggawale programme, which was your campaign message in 2006? Is it also on course? The foundation for Bonna Bagaggawale, which is an integrated programme, is slowly and firmly being built. Focus, model and nucleus enterprises, like the six farmers in each parish, have been selected and are being funded. When you travel around the country, there is evidence that many people are making progress by tapping into the opportunity the NRM is providing. Our wish is that everybody who gets on board, even at the lowest level, would make a big difference.
q:The NRM leaders are very difficult to get for press interviews. Do they fear the press?
A:Some may be difficult to get, but not all of them. And you can’t use the word fear. Why fear? Not everyone should be speaking to the media on each and everything, and even then, I don’t think it is right to media-monger just because you want media attention like some politicians, especially in the opposition, do. NRM leaders are always available whenever there is an issue to explain to the members and the public — and you will not find our objective explanations wanting.
Do your leaders behave like that because they think they are assured of victory in the 2011 elections?
I think some may be shy and do not want to speak for the sake of it, while others perhaps need more exposure and orientation on how the media works so that they appreciate the media as a major component of our struggle, democratisation and, therefore, an ally that one ought not to take for granted. The media has so much influence that it can either make or destroy you. So, we shall continue to discuss that matter internally.
Will the NRM win the 2011 elections?
Yes, we are confident that the NRM will win the 2011 elections with a higher margin for the President and many more seats both at parliamentary and local government levels, regardless of what some critics may be saying.
Which prospects confirm your predictions?
First, our record of good performance in all the major areas speaks for itself. We all live in this country and we know that the population of Ugandans and non-Ugandans believe in the credibility and ability of the NRM to offer better security, peace and stability throughout the country. The LRA war in the north is completely gone, people are back from IDP camps to near-normal life, services like education, roads, water, health care and others are being delivered. Maybe not yet satisfactorily, but many people appreciate and will vote for the NRM. Our assessment is that the NRM will make major political and electoral inroads in the north, northwest and Teso sub-region. The realignment can be seen from opposition leaders crossing and seeking to stand for NRM positions. In other parts of the country, the party is expanding and consolidating its gains — there are no major reversals. Our landslide victory in most of the recent parliamentary by-elections and the local government elections is an indication of our strength. Our dominance in Parliament, which accounts for over two thirds of the total number of MPs, informs objective analysts that the opposition still has a very long way to go to have access to power.
After Universal Primary Education (UPE) and Universal Secondary Education (USE), which new programmes will you offer Ugandans in 2011?
The NRM is not in the habit of promising for the sake of it. There is a manifesto review team, which is yet to come up with an objective assessment of our performance and what more needs to be done. However, we are going to consolidate the gains already made in all the other programmes under implementation. We need to improve the quality of education by training, equipping and remunerating teachers better and supervising management better. This will be done in the health, road and energy sectors, among others. We shall expand programmes like the National Agricultural Advisory Services (NAADS) and USE to cover more recipients.
Has the NRM fulfilled its 2006 election manifesto?
Nearly everything that was promised in the manifesto is being implemented and is at different stages. We can’t say that all have been fulfilled. UPE, USE, Bonna Bagaggawale (Prosperity for All), rural safe water, electricity, trunk and feeder roads and security are all up. We have not abandoned any of the promises on account of either lack of resources or change in priorities. Everything is on course.
What became of the Bonna Bagaggawale programme, which was your campaign message in 2006? Is it also on course?
The foundation for Bonna Bagaggawale, which is an integrated programme, is slowly and firmly being built. Focus, model and nucleus enterprises, like the six farmers in each parish, have been selected and are being funded. When you travel around the country, there is evidence that many people are making progress by tapping into the opportunity the NRM is providing. Our wish is that everybody who gets on board, even at the lowest level, would make a big difference.
Won’t the standoff with Buganda cost you votes in 2011? There is no standoff between the NRM and Buganda. There is, however, a slight misunderstanding between some elements at Mengo, who want to spoil the otherwise good relations the NRM has with Buganda on account of partisan politicking. You can see that nearly all of them in dispute with the NRM are businessmen, DP or FDC activists trying to use the popularity of the Kabaka to antagonise our national politics by creating unreasonable demands. The NRM is very strong in Buganda and among the Baganda, including many within Mengo, but who may be lying low. We are sure they will come out when the time to look for votes comes. We are very sure that, as usual, the NRM will overwhelmingly win in Buganda. Just watch.
Supposing you lose the 2011 presidential elections, will your party accept defeat? Tell me where you think the NRM will lose in a big way and why. But we are in this election stripped to the butt and we intend to win it handsomely and transparently, although our competitors, especially in FDC and UPC, are trying to tell the gullible public mind that the NRM can’t win without cheating. So in the most unlikely event that the NRM loses, we shall hand over power to the party that wins.
Currently, the NRM has over 220 MPs, while the opposition combined has only 60 MPs. Do you think with the current challenges, especially the Buganda question, the NRM will retain the numbers in the 2011 elections? Firstly, the so-called Buganda question is the unrealistic demands by a small selfish group using Mengo. That won’t affect the NRM’s electoral fortunes. They are not entirely new issues in our most recent electoral politics, right from the days of the National Resistance Council, the Constituent Assembly, the two referendums, 1996, 2001 and 2006 elections in which NRM won each of the rounds hands down.
Mengo has been defeated politically before and the NRM is happy that these issues are brought back so that the people decide. The NRM is in touch with every important section of the people of Buganda on these matters.
Some analysts say it is dangerous for Parliament to be dominated by one party because it becomes a rubber-stamp Parliament? It would be dangerous only if Parliament was not democratically elected. But this one is elected like the ones elsewhere in mature democracies. Why should anyone fear the democracy of a democratic majority? This Parliament has enacted much liberal legislation to recognise the status of the opposition ceding important accountability committees to the opposition. There is no ample evidence it is a rubber stamp because it has rejected government positions before when there was good reason to do so. There is no single government Bill or resolution that has passed without amendment by Parliament.
For instance, the UPDF deployment in Somalia was thrown out twice and so was the Partial Risk Guarantee to fund the Rift Valley Railways. Even the current Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) probe by the Public Accounts Committee disproves the rubber-stamp claim.
How do you rate the performance of NRM MPs in the 8th Parliament? Our performance has been good as most bills and proposals brought have been considered and passed. However, there is a need to improve the way the NRM caucus works by introducing rules of procedure and the whole House addressing the issue of quorum during the plenary because we sometimes fail on quorum.
What is the latest measure the NRM has put in place to resolve its internal wrangles? It has established disciplinary and arbitration committees at the district levels throughout Uganda. These will work more on arbitration and reconciling conflicting parties as a first step. We hope with transparent internal processes, especially in the party elections, many of the reasons for dispute will be minimised. Why have the Central Executive Committee (CEC) and the National Executive Committee (NEC) rushed to endorse President Yoweri Museveni as the flag bearer for 2011? Aren’t you suppressing internal competition in the party? The CEC and NEC never endorsed President Museveni as the presidential candidate for the 2011 elections. It is NEC which followed recommendations from all the 90 NRM district conferences without any exception that forwarded to the National Conference to consider President Museveni’s candidature, which is within the NEC’s mandate. The district conferences believe in his ability to continue leading both the NRM and Uganda.
The matter was never put to President Museveni for his acceptance or not, and so the question is still open for anybody who is aspiring to be the NRM flag bearer. When the time comes, the NRM electoral commission will call for nominations and those interested or their promoters will forward their names for consideration by the relevant NRM organs.
Some analysts say the conditions NRM has given for not opening CBS radio are so hostile and autocratic. What do you say? That is not a question for the NRM to answer. It should be directed to the Broadcasting Council, which revoked the operating licence of CBS. But in any case, if we are under the rule of law, all persons, including media houses like CBS, must obey the law and respect common political and social decency without inflaming sectarian feelings which CBS had gotten used to. In case of failure, they should face the fire CBS is facing.
What do you think is the NRM’s biggest challenge in the run-up to the 2011 elections? Updating its membership register and managing internal elections properly. The internal elections are going to be massive, more or less like general elections. We also need to start dealing with the false perception that the general election will not be free and fair as the opposition claims.
There are reports that some ministers are undermining the credibility of the NRM. Is the party considering sacking them for a good name? Appointment and disappointment of ministers is the prerogative of the President through numerous consultations.
What do you mean? We can all advise, but it is the President to make the final decision on such matters and he has already promised that the nation is about to see corruption casualties.
Is it true that the NRM parliamentary caucus always dances to the tune of the Executive? It is not true, but in any case, what is wrong with dancing to that tune, if it is a sweet and appropriate one from the NRM executive.
Shouldn’t there be a difference between the Executive and the party as it is in many other developed countries? Obviously there is a big difference, only that the caucus and Executive should enjoy a healthy working relationship. I think it is this cordial relationship which some critics say undermines the Legislature. There are some people who would want to see friction all the time and we are not giving them that drama.
Your last word? I would like to assure our supporters that in the 2011 elections, whether it is in the presidential, parliamentary or local council elections, victory will go to our beloved NRM party. I appeal to them not to be swayed by opposition politicians who fabricate lies to make political capital out of them.
I appeal to all Ugandans across the political divide to be peace-loving people by avoiding those who sow seeds of hatred, tribalism, violence and chaos. Let us all be devoted to national unity, development and consolidation of the peace which the NRM government has championed.
Published on: Saturday, 6th February, 2010 *
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:40 AM, abbey semuwemba < abbeysemuwemba@googlemail.com> wrote: