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Hello,

I am relaxed to see that 99% of these abusive mails emanate from the Punjab and Punjabi so-called journalists. That in itself has exposed many of you. Since you guys constitute our version of Americans and keep endlessly asking whey they ( Balochs, Sindhis, Phatans and Sarakis) hate us so much, you should know by now what actually is wrong with you.

There is something wrong with Pakistan because there is something wrong with the Punjabi mindset which is unwilling to compromise on less than domination and hegemony.

I wonder if Punjabi intellectuals (like the ones who keep posting abusive e-mails not the real ones, of course because I idealize many good Punjabis journalists and writers) can not tolerate a Baloch writer’s contribution in an international publication, how on the earth are they going to tolerate the Balochs become the master of their own natural resources. If you are reluctant to tolerate a dissenting opinion piece, how are you going to give autonomy to Balochistan?

Get a life guys. You have hundreds of newspapers and dozens of news channels of your own. You have Ahmed Qurashis who call day as night, war as peace, boy as girl, Baloch as Balochi but still they are acceptable to you as ‘objective intellectuals’. On the other hand, a contribution by a Baloch journalist suddenly becomes treason. Because you have never treated us as Pakistanis. You hate us. You can not tolerate us. Your saying that “Balochis hamary bahi hain” has been exposed only with the publication of one article what you mean with Balochis as your bahi.

These self-proclaimed Pakistani nationalists from Punjab think they are the ones to define what the ideology of Pakistan and the problem of Balochistan are. They are unwilling to share. They want to get hold of everything. They want to clinch international fellowships. They think they are the only ones to become anchorpersons. They want to become the analysts. They want to define everything. Now that only one Baloch journalist tries to give a Baloch perspective to the whole world, you resort to the worst personal criticism.

I know some very top journalists and writers of Pakistan are following this debate. They have been giving me their feedback through personal e-mails, SMS and phone calls. I am glade they appreciate my work as something ‘out of the box’. On their instructions, including that of my friend Ahmed Raza from the BBC, I am signing off from this debate.

For Shahzada, I am sorry sir. I can not side with you. You made an attempt to publicly ridicule me which completely failed. Now you think I will be joining you to ridicule some other fellow journalist. Give me a break. For that matter, please find a ‘competent journalist’ from Balochistan, to borrow a phrase from you.

Regards

Malik

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Azhar Bukhari wrote:

Ok Mr Malik Siraj Up till now i had refrained from commenting on your super duper piece for Indian paper. I wonder what makes you proud when even Indian themselves consider Times of India a second rate newspaper which is mostly banking on propaganda items. But anyway that is another issue.

Your bellow reply forced me to comment. Primarily

1. You tried to pitch Pakistanis from other provinces against Pakistanis from the biggest province population-wise. So kindy spare the Pakistanis in Sindh, NWFP and even Balochistan. You can speak for your ownself but not for us what we think about our fellow Pakistanis from another province.

2. I am from NWFP and it is indeed easy for me to blam Punjab for all our ills in NWFP but then again i have to look into my own local leaders who have one way or the other joined hands with rulers putting the inrests of locals for their own rule.

So basically i would blam my own local political leaders for letting us down. No doubt there are injustices made with smaller provinces and i do agree with you on that. But sparing your own waderas, and sardars of their role in keeping their people deprived of development is indeed a hypocracy.

3. When was the last time you had the courage to call spade a spade viz viz attrocities by Bugtis, Marries, Mengals and other Sardars with their own common Balochs in Balochistan.

*4. in one of your replies you said Why the government is not allowing UNICEF and other relief orgs to work for Balochis. Are you not lying through your teeth here ??? When was the last time Government of Pakistan had banned any UN org from carrying out relief work in Balochistan?* ** *Wasnt it the same BLA terrorists who had abducted the UN official who was doing relief work in Balochistan and wasnt it the same situation which your BLA terrorists created after which UN annoucned to halt its activities there last month.*

So kindly do not mislead people. You have the right to cash in the situation and write whatever you want in Indian media as well as Daily Times. We have no concern with that.

Regards On 8/13/09, Malik Siraj Akbar wrote: > > Hello, > > I am relaxed to see that 99% of these abusive mails emanate from the Punjab > and Punjabi so-called journalists. That in itself has exposed many of you. > Since you guys constitute our version of Americans and keep endlessly asking > whey they ( Balochs, Sindhis, Phatans and Sarakis) hate us so much, you > should know by now what actually is wrong with you. > > > > There is something wrong with Pakistan because there is something wrong > with the Punjabi mindset which is unwilling to compromise on less than > domination and hegemony. > > > > I wonder if Punjabi intellectuals (like the ones who keep posting abusive > e-mails not the real ones, of course because I idealize many good Punjabis > journalists and writers) can not tolerate a Baloch writer’s contribution in > an international publication, how on the earth are they going to tolerate > the Balochs become the master of their own natural resources. If you are > reluctant to tolerate a dissenting opinion piece, how are you going to give > autonomy to Balochistan? > > > > Get a life guys. You have hundreds of newspapers and dozens of news > channels of your own. You have Ahmed Qurashis who call day as night, war as > peace, boy as girl, Baloch as Balochi but still they are acceptable to you > as ‘objective intellectuals’. On the other hand, a contribution by a > Baloch journalist suddenly becomes treason. Because you have never treated > us as Pakistanis. You hate us. You can not tolerate us. Your saying that > “Balochis hamary bahi hain” has been exposed only with the publication of > one article what you mean with Balochis as your bahi. > > > > These self-proclaimed Pakistani nationalists from Punjab think they are the > ones to define what the ideology of Pakistan and the problem of Balochistan > are. They are unwilling to share. They want to get hold of everything. They > want to clinch international fellowships. They think they are the only ones > to become anchorpersons. They want to become the analysts. They want to > define everything. Now that only one Baloch journalist tries to give a > Baloch perspective to the whole world, you resort to the worst personal > criticism. > > > > I know some very top journalists and writers of Pakistan are following this > debate. They have been giving me their feedback through personal e-mails, > SMS and phone calls. I am glade they appreciate my work as something ‘out of > the box’. On their instructions, including that of my friend Ahmed Raza from > the BBC, I am signing off from this debate. > > > > For Shahzada, I am sorry sir. I can not side with you. You made an attempt > to publicly ridicule me which completely failed. Now you think I will be > joining you to ridicule some other fellow journalist. Give me a break. For > that matter, please find a ‘competent journalist’ from Balochistan, to > borrow a phrase from you. > > Regards > > Malik > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Azhar Bukhari wrote: > >> *Happy Independence Day!** (only to real countrymen not all)* >> >> >> >> Malik Siraj of Daily Times is nothing but a black spot on the face of >> journalism, he is among of those people who have not yet accepted Pakistan >> as a sovereign country. >> >> Malik claims he is simply a journalist, I must say he is a predator using >> this pious profession as a tool to achieve the targets set by some NGO’s >> funded by India. >> >> Sorry Mr Razi, after reading his article discussing Pakistan’s internal >> affairs in an Indian daily, how can a patriot give him respect. He is just a >> BULL SHITT!!! >> >> The man who wrote a lengthy article to protect the prostitution and >> tempted the masses to take prostitution as an industry and give due respect >> to prostitutes, CAN HE BE RESPECTED??? Malik appreciates a US return lady Dr >> Fouzia Saeed who become a prostitute to FEEL the hardships facing by that >> community for her “MASTERPIECE” Taboo. Dr Fouzia’s anthropological >> approach forced her to spend years in Shahi Muhallah, wow itz gr8!!!! >> >> Malik is of the view that the prostitution must not be shut down even in >> Ramdan and Muharram, as it is against the human rights. Mr Malik you are >> great, lagay raho WE ALL ARE HIJRRAS no one can give u a SHUT UP >> >> Mr Malik you are right, one should kill a man to know what a murder FEELS >> after killing somebody. Wow itz a gr8 way of learning, carry on >> >> People like malik, who are following western trends living in eastern >> societies can only cause destruction in both the societies and in the end >> neither local nor the other culture they could adopt. They spend all their >> lives to find their identities. Just Shame on these so called intellectuals. >> Jis mein khate hain usi mein cheid kerte hain >> >> No Razi sb I can’t respect Malik’s approach. >> >> I highly appreciate Shahzada’s stance, at least he come up with some >> patriotism, I think PFUJ should constitute law regarding the so-called >> Pakistani journalist who are playing role to damage *PAK SER ZAMEEN’s*image in the world. >> >> In the end I must say that I respect Balochis from the core of my heart >> and it is the reality that they are constantly being deprived of even basic >> needs. We must have to fight for their rights, they are our part and they >> mustn’t be neglected. >> >> *The prosperous Balochistan is guarantee for prosperous Pakistan.* >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> azhar bukhari >> >> Daily The Post. LHR >> >> 0333 4726648 >> >> >> On 8/13/09, Rizwan Razi wrote: >>> >>> Hi Everybody >>> >>> >>> >>> Please no personal score setting under psudo names. >>> >>> >>> >>> Shahzada Irfan and Malik Siraj are worthy colleagues and we are trying to >>> promote a healthy debate while respecting their opinions. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please please please no below the belt move. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> >>> Razi >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> —————————— >>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:55:04 +0500 >>> Subject: Re: A Home-grown Conflict (Don’t give India a clean chit) >>> From: yaadimran@gmail.com >>> To: stunningmalik@gmail.com >>> CC: shahzada.irfan@gmail.com; shaikh.adeel@hotmail.com; >>> presspakistan@googlegroups.com; shahid@malikshahid.biz; >>> aq@ahmedquraishi.com >>> >>> Dear *Siraj!* >>> Like many pakistani journalists, I dont agree with u on many points that >>> u mentioned in ur article. But I agree with u on points that u replied to >>> Shahzada in the rejoinder……..Honestly speaking I have gone through >>> various articles wirtten by the “competent” Shahzada in the TNS but found >>> all of them bellow par —-non of them ever attracted me. And in >>> comparision, your this article was explicit and well written, professionally >>> speaking, though I disagree with many points as I mentioed earlier. >>> The point that Shahzada availed an opportunity to go abroad is not >>> something exceptional…..hundreds of journalists have done it but are still >>> “koray” whereas there are thousands others without any foriegn tour, let >>> alone studies, and much more expressive and comprehensive than the likes of >>> Shahzada’s…….I am surprised as to what has made Shahzada so proud…..he >>> is still as anonymous as before with his dull articles and articulations of >>> things….i often think what would have happened to Shahzada if had been in >>> the position of a Hamid Mir, Shahid Masood or Ansar Abassi he would have >>> simply gone made…….Dma dam must kalandar…. >>> regards >>> >>> >>> On 8/13/09, *Malik Siraj Akbar* wrote: >>> >>> Dear Shahzada, >>> Greetings, >>> Thank you very much for your detailed feedback. I will try to reply >>> accordingly. >>> >>> Now what is a competent journalist in your views? Someone who speaks your >>> preconceived thoughts? I am sorry my dear newspapers no longer look for >>> writers who preoccupy themselves with “Pakistani journalist” or “Indian >>> journalist”. I have said it before; I have never identified myself as a >>> Pakistani or a Muslim journalist. I am simply a journalist. Yes Shahzada, I >>> am not as competent a journalist as you are because I never had the luxury >>> of going to Aitchison College or clinching an American fewllowship. But you >>> offend me with your remarks. >>> I need no certificate of competency. >>> I would never accuse you of siding with the US for getting Daniel Pearl >>> Fellowship because I think you deserve it regardless of the American or >>> Pakistani governments’ polices. So this is an obsolete cliché, which does >>> not make us laugh these days, to say that someone is writing against the >>> government of Pakistan to get a foreign visa or a fellowship. >>> 2) The objective of the article is to show it to the readers that >>> Balochistan is an indigenous issue. Before India, similar unsubstantiated >>> allegations were leveled on countries like Afghanistan, Russia and Iraq as >>> well in order to hide the actual problem in Balochistan. I mean there was no >>> Indian hand in1948, 1962 or 1973. Did India ask Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto to oust >>> the elected government of Sardar Attaullah Mengal in 1973? Did India >>> recommend Musharraf to kill Akbar Bugti? Did India ask Pakistani >>> agencies to whisk away its own people and torture them? >>> >>> 3) I never talked of the national interest. I have always seen it being >>> defined by the government of the day. I sincerely hope that my article will >>> go down with the international human rights organizations that will probe >>> the missing persons. Secondly, assistance would be given to the Baloch IDPs >>> as enthusiastically as was done for their compatriots in Swat. >>> Sir, you are an investigative journalist. Have you ever thought why the >>> government does not allow UNICEF or other relief organizations to help the >>> Baloch IDPs? Does it not bother you if things in Balochistan have truly >>> changed with the arrival of PPP government when several political leaders, >>> such as Jalil Reki, central information secretary of BRP, Chakar Qambarani, >>> BRP central committee member etc are still “missing”. >>> >>> 4) Bizanjo’s speech in the parliament is to the Baloch what Jinnah’s >>> speech of August 11, 1947 is to Pakistanis. Since the argument was the idea >>> of an Islamic Pakistan never appealed to the Baloch, I had to opt for a >>> quote from an elected leader. Then you could go on for more such references >>> in the speeches of many Baloch leaders. >>> Now who is this good fellow informing you that Ghose Baksh Bizanjo was a >>> Sardar or Nawab? Are you not ridiculing your own knowledge? >>> My article does not indicate whether or not I support seeking external >>> financial support. However, as you have recommended someone should ask >>> Bramdagh Bugti about it. I did. He has clearly answered it in the >>> article. If Pakistani can use sophisticated American weapons against the >>> Baloch then what is wrong for an oppressed people to beg for international >>> help? >>> In addition, you do not have to blame the writer. I am insignificant in >>> terms of making decisions. You have to look at these powerful people like >>> Bramdagh Bugti, Hairbayar Marri, Sardar Akhtar Mengal who openly ask for >>> foreign assistance. That simply shows something is wrong in Balochistan. >>> >>> 5) It is not only the Indians who always hold the ISI and Pakistan >>> responsible for everything here. There are elements within Pakistan as well. >>> If Zardari sneezes here, they say the virus was imported by RAW. India or >>> Pakistan bashing sounds good as long as its confined to politicians, army >>> men and bureaucrats but when journalists and writers jump on the same >>> bandwagon, they only undermine their own credibility. All of the comments >>> that I have received from fellow journalists and members of this mailing >>> group show that they are defensive. They take positions as Pakistanis. They >>> fail to see it that this article speaks for a people who are being >>> systematically crushed. If journalists and writers begin to speak Rehman >>> Malik’s language then I regret there is no hope of finding the truth and >>> reaching a solution. >>> >>> *A personal note:* >>> >>> There is so much internal criticism over the liberal and progressive >>> people in this country that they prefer to hide their thoughts in order to >>> avoid being ridiculed. I don’t. I have no qualms in declaring myself as an >>> atheist. >>> >>> Shahzada: Remain assured that I will not mind your words until you use >>> words like “stupid” “Be sharm” “agent” “traitor” etc for me (as was used by >>> some people in the previous mails). I will try to convince you as much as I >>> can. Friends are not meant to be lost. We debate only to learn from each >>> other. >>> >>> You said “I will not be able to shower any words of praise on India till >>> the time it does something worth it.” I see it differently. I highly admire >>> India as a success story. Like it or not, there is no comparison between >>> Pakistan and India. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Malik >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Shahzada Irfan <>>> shahzada.irfan@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> I have been through the article and the comments it has invited. I >>> would be very honest in commenting and mean no office to any of those >>> involved in this debate. I would also request my fellow journalist >>> friends, who are equally respectable to me, not to put labels on each >>> other or accuse them working on behest of vested interests. However, >>> they are free to criticize what they think is wrong and no one is >>> going to them stop from doing that. >>> >>> My comments, observations and suggests follow: >>> >>> 1) If you remove the byline, you can’t figure out whether the article >>> was written by an Indian journalist or a Pakistani journalist. All >>> this has been published already, in the same unconvincing manner, and >>> there’s nothing new about it. The ToI editor failed to fully benefit >>> from the services of a competent journalist who could write from him >>> from Balochistan. >>> >>> 2) While there’s no harm in talking about the rights of Baloch people >>> and how they have been deprived of them, I think there was no need to >>> give India a clean chit. The respected writer could have said all >>> these things without even referring to India. May be it was the Indian >>> editor who was interested the most in having these lines in the >>> article and very little about all that’s weaved around them. >>> >>> 3) I have never been comfortable with this term “national interest” >>> used by the so called custodians of the nation. So, our respected >>> fellow journalist Mr Quraishi could have raised objections against the >>> content but not for being against the “national ineterest” deciphered >>> by a few individuals. Who’s going to decide what’s in the national >>> interest and what’s not? I salute the Pakistani journalists who put >>> the words “national interest” in quotes in their write-ups and >>> perturbed General (retired) Musharraf a lot when he was in power. >>> >>> 4) The author has carried over-simplistic quotes of a sardar/nawab who >>> least knows about the miseries of the ordinary people. I grew up with >>> many of these stars at a school in Lahore (Aitchison College) and am >>> witness to the princely lifestyle they were used to. Is it necessary >>> even today to travel to a country to get financial help from them? Can >>> somebody pose this question to Brahmadagh Bugti? >>> >>> 5) Finally, I do not agree with the notion that one must be nice even >>> with those who are always out to harm you. Indian media and Indian >>> government never fail to hold Pakistan or ISI responsible for anything >>> that goes wrong in their country. I agree we must not stoop to that >>> level and behave similarly without having any strong evidence against >>> India. But at the same time I think we must not go overboard in our >>> attempts to prove India a peace loving and neutral state. >>> >>> A personal note: >>> I have observed that many journalists, scholars, researchers and >>> activists try to prove themselves liberal and progressive by >>> denouncing their religion and nationality. I take pride in these >>> identities and wish the others feel the same way. >>> >>> I simply spoke my heart out and did not want to enter into any >>> argument because I think: “Whenever you win an argument, you lose a >>> friend.” So, Mr Malik we were friends, we are friends and we will >>> remain friends. But I am sorry I will not be able to shower any words >>> of praise on India till the time it does something worth it. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Shahzada Irfan Ahmed >>> 2009 Alfred Friendly/Daniel Pearl Fellow >>> Houston Chronicle >>> Houston, Texas, USA >>> >>> & >>> >>> The News on Sunday, >>> 13 Davis Road, >>> Lahore 54900 >>> Pakistan >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/11/09, Adeel Shaikh wrote: >>> > >>> > Yes it was very interesting….. >>> > >>> > It was one-sided. Carefully targeted towards demonizing Pakistan. >>> Tactfully >>> > hitting the right buttons in India. >>> > No mention of the feudal system and the reason WHY the economic >>> development >>> > could not reach the people at the grass roots and stayed at the top. >>> > No mention of the fact that the feudal lords’ sons roam around in >>> Islamabad >>> > in imported sports cars (interesting?), while the poor people back home >>> > cannot make ends meet. >>> > No mention of the royalties payed by the state. No mention of the US >>> > acknowledgement of the Indian hand involved. >>> > No mention of vast private armies and arms funded by royalties payed >>> by the >>> > state. >>> > And so conveniently, no mention of target killings of sane professors >>> and >>> > teachers all over the province and the reason why the flags of Pakistan >>> have >>> > been taken off from schools. >>> > No mention of abduction of innocent people and assassinations and >>> scare >>> > tactics used. >>> > No mention of the fact where the figures quoted in the article came >>> from >>> > when media persons are not allowed inside conflict zones. >>> > And absolutley no mention of the Baluch people who love Pakistan and >>> those >>> > who gave their lives …. but why would anyone take there names … >>> they are >>> > not armed. >>> > >>> > So many more details carefully left out. >>> > >>> > Very interesting indeed… >>> > >>> > Congrats! What better accompishment, for a Pakistani writer, than >>> getting an >>> > anti-Pakistan article published in the Times of India. >>> > >>> > Best Regards, >>> > >>> > Adeel. >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:06:11 +0500 >>> > Subject: A Home-grown Conflict >>> > From: stunningmalik@gmail.com >>> > To: stunningmalik@gmail.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Dear Friends, >>> > The following article of mine appeared in the Times of India. I thought >>> you >>> > might be interested to read it. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinion/edit-page/Top-Article-A-Home-grown-Conflict/articleshow/4878167.cms >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Top Article: A Home-grown Conflict Malik Siraj Akbar >>> > 11 August 2009, 12:00am IST >>> > >>> > >>> > | >>> > >>> > >>> > When the first Baloch insurgency broke out in 1948 to resist the >>> illegal and >>> > forceful annexation of the Baloch-populated autonomous Kalat state with >>> > Pakistan, Manmohan Singh – today Indian prime minister – was barely a >>> > teenager while his Pakistani counterpart Yousuf Raza Gilani had not >>> even >>> > been born to witness the rebellion’s magnitude. Yet, last month, both >>> > leaders in Sharm el-Sheikh discussed for the first time the >>> indefatigable >>> > Baloch insurgency. >>> > >>> > Pakistan has been blaming India for causing trouble in its >>> resource-rich >>> > province. Gilani broached the issue with India at a time disgruntled >>> Baloch >>> > youth have removed the Pakistani flag from schools and colleges and >>> stopped >>> > playing the national anthem. Punjabi officers refuse to serve in >>> > Balochistan, fearing they would be target-killed. Islamabad attributes >>> the >>> > unrest to ‘foreign involvement’. India is not the first to be blamed. >>> > Similar allegations were levelled in the past against the now defunct >>> Soviet >>> > Union, Afghanistan and Iraq to discredit the indigenous movement for >>> > retaining a distinct Baloch identity. Indian assistance sounds >>> ridiculous >>> > given that the Baloch do not share a border, common language, religion >>> or >>> > history with India. Hardly has 1 per cent of Balochs have visited >>> India. >>> > >>> > The idea of Pakistan never attracted the secular Baloch. Ghose Baksh >>> > Bizanjo, a Baloch leader, said in 1947: “It is not necessary that by >>> virtue >>> > of our being Muslims we should lose our freedom… If the mere fact >>> that we >>> > are Muslims requires us to join Pakistan, then Afghanistan and Iran… >>> > should also amalgamate with Pakistan.” >>> > >>> > Over the years, Islamabad has applied a multi-pronged approach to deal >>> with >>> > Balochista Apart from military operations launched in 1948, 1958, 1962, >>> 1973 >>> > and 2002 to quash the rebellion, Islamabad adopted other tactics. >>> First, it >>> > kept the province economically backward by denying it good >>> infrastructure, >>> > mainly in education and health. Natural gas was discovered in >>> Balochistan in >>> > 1951 and supplied to Punjab’s industrial units. The Balochs hardly >>> benefit >>> > from their own gas. >>> > >>> > Second, Balochs, whom the state views as traitors, were denied >>> > representation in the army, foreign services, federal departments, >>> > profitable corporations, Pakistan International Airlines, customs, >>> railways >>> > and other key institutions. Third, Balochistan has historically been >>> > remote-controlled from Islamabad. A Pakistan army corps commander, >>> often a >>> > Punjabi or a Pathan, and the inspector general of the Frontier Corps, a >>> > federal paramilitary force with less than 2 per cent Baloch >>> representation, >>> > exert more power than the province’s elected chief minister. The >>> > intelligence agencies devise election plans and decide who has to come >>> to >>> > the provincial parliament and who should be ousted. >>> > >>> > Fourth, Islamabad has created a state of terror inside Balochistan. >>> Hundreds >>> > of check posts have been established to harass people and restrict >>> their >>> > movement. Forces and tanks are stationed even on campuses of >>> universities. >>> > Fifth, national and international media are denied access to conflict >>> zones >>> > in Balochistan. Several foreign journalists were beaten up supposedly >>> by >>> > intelligence agencies personnel or deported when they endeavoured to >>> report >>> > the actual situation. Sixth, international human rights organisations >>> are >>> > denied access to trace the whereabouts of some 5,000 ‘missing persons’. >>> > Pakistan is also in a state of denial about the existence of around >>> 2,00,000 >>> > internally displaced persons in Balochistan. >>> > >>> > Seventh, Islamabad has been engaged in systematic target killing of key >>> > Baloch democratic leaders. Ex-governor and chief minister of >>> Balochistan, >>> > Nawab Akbar Bugti, 79, became a victim once he demanded Baloch rights. >>> > Balach Marri, a Balochistan Assembly member, was killed to undermine >>> the >>> > movement. In April this year, three other prominent leaders were >>> whisked >>> > away by security forces and subsequently killed. >>> > >>> > Eighth, Pakistan has pitted radical Taliban against secular and >>> democratic >>> > Baloch forces. The state is brazenly funding thousands of religious >>> schools >>> > across the province with the help of Arab countries to promote >>> religious >>> > radicalisation. Elements supportive of Taliban were covertly helped by >>> state >>> > institutions to contest and win general elections. They now enjoy >>> sizeable >>> > representation in the Balochistan Assembly to legislate against the >>> > nationalists and secular forces. >>> > >>> > Ninth, Islamabad has been using sophisticated American weapons, >>> provided to >>> > crush Taliban, against the Baloch people. This has provided breathing >>> space >>> > to Taliban hidden in Quetta and weeded out progressive elements. >>> Finally, >>> > Afghan refugees are being patronised to create a demographic imbalance >>> in >>> > the Baloch-dominated province. >>> > >>> > Baloch leaders are critical of many democratic countries for not doing >>> > ‘enough’ to safeguard a democratic, secular Baloch people. I asked >>> Bramdagh >>> > Bugti, a Baloch commander, about the India link. He laughed and said, >>> “Would >>> > our people live amid such miserable conditions if we enjoyed support >>> from >>> > India? We are an oppressed people… seeking help from India, the >>> United >>> > States, the United Nations and the European Union to come for our >>> rescue.” >>> > >>> > The Baloch movement is rapidly trickling down from tribal chiefs to >>> educated >>> > middle-class youth aggressively propagating their cause on Facebook and >>> > YouTube. This generation would understandably welcome foreign >>> assistance but >>> > will not give up even if denied help from countries like India. The >>> Baloch >>> > insist their struggle was not interrupted even at times when India and >>> > Pakistan enjoyed cordial relations. >>> > >>> > The writer is Balochistan bureau chief of Daily Times . >>> > >>> > >>> > — >>> > —————————– >>> > Malik Siraj Akbar >>> > Bureau Chief >>> > Daily Times >>> > Office: +92-81-2470051 >>> > Jazz: +92-300-9384751 Ufone:+92-334-2451985 >>> > Web: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk >>> > Blog: http://www.gmcmissing.wordpress.com >>> > Facebook: http://www.facebook/stunningmalik >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> — >>> —————————– >>> Malik Siraj Akbar >>> Bureau Chief >>> Daily Times >>> Office: +92-81-2470051 >>> Jazz: +92-300-9384751 Ufone:+92-334-2451985 >>> Web: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk >>> Blog: http://www.gmcmissing.wordpress.com >>> Facebook: http://www.facebook/stunningmalik >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > — > —————————– > Malik Siraj Akbar > Bureau Chief > Daily Times > Office: +92-81-2470051 > Jazz: +92-300-9384751 Ufone:+92-334-2451985 > Web: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk > Blog: http://www.gmcmissing.wordpress.com > Facebook: http://www.facebook/stunningmalik > > > > > > >

Dear All, You should not get angry with Mr Siraj Akbar for writing a pro-Indian article becasue he had been to India on SAFMA scholarship for one year in 2005. Mr Siraj Akbar during his scholarship must have observed (informed) many good things about India and came to know ‘countless’ evils of Pakistan.

Nauman Tasleem Senior Staff Reporter Daily Times, Lahore

Well Nauman Bhai i know that and many other thibgs as well. This man is working on a ’specific agenda’, but he can’t be succeeded. *Pakistan to remain till end of the time!*

Regards,

azhar bukhari Daily The Post, LHR 0333 4726648

On 8/14/09, Nauman wrote: > > Dear All, > You should not get angry with Mr Siraj Akbar for writing a pro-Indian > article becasue he had been to India on SAFMA scholarship for one year in > 2005. Mr Siraj Akbar during his scholarship must have observed (informed) > many good things about India and came to know ‘countless’ evils of Pakistan. > > > Nauman Tasleem > Senior Staff Reporter > Daily Times, Lahore > > —– Original Message —– > *From:* Farzana Shah > *To:* Malik Siraj Akbar > *Cc:* Azhar Bukhari ; Rizwan Razi; > yaadimran@gmail.com ; shahzada.irfan@gmail.com ; shaikh.adeel@hotmail.com; Peress > Pakistan Press Pakistan ; > shahid@malikshahid.biz ; aq@ahmedquraishi.com > *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2009 1:28 PM > *Subject:* Re: PFUJ shud take serious notice of Malik’s article > > > Ok Mr Malik Siraj > Up till now i had refrained from commenting on your super duper piece for > Indian paper. I wonder what makes you proud when even Indian themselves > consider Times of India a second rate newspaper which is mostly banking on > propaganda items. But anyway that is another issue. > > > Your bellow reply forced me to comment. Primarily > > 1. You tried to pitch Pakistanis from other provinces against Pakistanis > from the biggest province population-wise. > So kindy spare the Pakistanis in Sindh, NWFP and even Balochistan. You can > speak for your ownself but not for us what we think about our fellow > Pakistanis from another province. > > 2. I am from NWFP and it is indeed easy for me to blam Punjab for all our > ills in NWFP but then again i have to look into my own local leaders who > have one way or the other joined hands with rulers putting the inrests of > locals for their own rule. > > So basically i would blam my own local political leaders for letting us > down. > No doubt there are injustices made with smaller provinces and i do agree > with you on that. But sparing your own waderas, and sardars of their role in > keeping their people deprived of development is indeed a hypocracy. > > > 3. When was the last time you had the courage to call spade a spade viz viz > attrocities by Bugtis, Marries, Mengals and other Sardars with their own > common Balochs in Balochistan. > > *4. in one of your replies you said Why the government is not allowing > UNICEF and other relief orgs to work for Balochis. Are you not lying through > your teeth here ??? When was the last time Government of Pakistan had banned > any UN org from carrying out relief work in Balochistan?* > ** > *Wasnt it the same BLA terrorists who had abducted the UN official who was > doing relief work in Balochistan and wasnt it the same situation which your > BLA terrorists created after which UN annoucned to halt its activities there > last month.* > > So kindly do not mislead people. You have the right to cash in the > situation and write whatever you want in Indian media as well as Daily > Times. We have no concern with that. > > > Regards > On 8/13/09, Malik Siraj Akbar wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I am relaxed to see that 99% of these abusive mails emanate from the >> Punjab and Punjabi so-called journalists. That in itself has exposed many of >> you. Since you guys constitute our version of Americans and keep endlessly >> asking whey they ( Balochs, Sindhis, Phatans and Sarakis) hate us so much, >> you should know by now what actually is wrong with you. >> >> >> >> There is something wrong with Pakistan because there is something wrong >> with the Punjabi mindset which is unwilling to compromise on less than >> domination and hegemony. >> >> >> >> I wonder if Punjabi intellectuals (like the ones who keep posting abusive >> e-mails not the real ones, of course because I idealize many good Punjabis >> journalists and writers) can not tolerate a Baloch writer’s contribution in >> an international publication, how on the earth are they going to tolerate >> the Balochs become the master of their own natural resources. If you are >> reluctant to tolerate a dissenting opinion piece, how are you going to give >> autonomy to Balochistan? >> >> >> >> Get a life guys. You have hundreds of newspapers and dozens of news >> channels of your own. You have Ahmed Qurashis who call day as night, war as >> peace, boy as girl, Baloch as Balochi but still they are acceptable to you >> as ‘objective intellectuals’. On the other hand, a contribution by a >> Baloch journalist suddenly becomes treason. Because you have never treated >> us as Pakistanis. You hate us. You can not tolerate us. Your saying that >> “Balochis hamary bahi hain” has been exposed only with the publication of >> one article what you mean with Balochis as your bahi. >> >> >> >> These self-proclaimed Pakistani nationalists from Punjab think they are >> the ones to define what the ideology of Pakistan and the problem of >> Balochistan are. They are unwilling to share. They want to get hold of >> everything. They want to clinch international fellowships. They think they >> are the only ones to become anchorpersons. They want to become the analysts. >> They want to define everything. Now that only one Baloch journalist tries to >> give a Baloch perspective to the whole world, you resort to the worst >> personal criticism. >> >> >> >> I know some very top journalists and writers of Pakistan are following >> this debate. They have been giving me their feedback through personal >> e-mails, SMS and phone calls. I am glade they appreciate my work as >> something ‘out of the box’. On their instructions, including that of my >> friend Ahmed Raza from the BBC, I am signing off from this debate. >> >> >> >> For Shahzada, I am sorry sir. I can not side with you. You made an attempt >> to publicly ridicule me which completely failed. Now you think I will be >> joining you to ridicule some other fellow journalist. Give me a break. For >> that matter, please find a ‘competent journalist’ from Balochistan, to >> borrow a phrase from you. >> >> Regards >> >> Malik >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Azhar Bukhari wrote: >> >>> *Happy Independence Day!** (only to real countrymen not all)* >>> >>> >>> >>> Malik Siraj of Daily Times is nothing but a black spot on the face of >>> journalism, he is among of those people who have not yet accepted Pakistan >>> as a sovereign country. >>> >>> Malik claims he is simply a journalist, I must say he is a predator using >>> this pious profession as a tool to achieve the targets set by some NGO’s >>> funded by India. >>> >>> Sorry Mr Razi, after reading his article discussing Pakistan’s internal >>> affairs in an Indian daily, how can a patriot give him respect. He is just a >>> BULL SHITT!!! >>> >>> The man who wrote a lengthy article to protect the prostitution and >>> tempted the masses to take prostitution as an industry and give due respect >>> to prostitutes, CAN HE BE RESPECTED??? Malik appreciates a US return lady Dr >>> Fouzia Saeed who become a prostitute to FEEL the hardships facing by that >>> community for her “MASTERPIECE” Taboo. Dr Fouzia’s anthropological >>> approach forced her to spend years in Shahi Muhallah, wow itz gr8!!!! >>> >>> Malik is of the view that the prostitution must not be shut down even in >>> Ramdan and Muharram, as it is against the human rights. Mr Malik you are >>> great, lagay raho WE ALL ARE HIJRRAS no one can give u a SHUT UP >>> >>> Mr Malik you are right, one should kill a man to know what a murder FEELS >>> after killing somebody. Wow itz a gr8 way of learning, carry on >>> >>> People like malik, who are following western trends living in eastern >>> societies can only cause destruction in both the societies and in the end >>> neither local nor the other culture they could adopt. They spend all their >>> lives to find their identities. Just Shame on these so called intellectuals. >>> Jis mein khate hain usi mein cheid kerte hain >>> >>> No Razi sb I can’t respect Malik’s approach. >>> >>> I highly appreciate Shahzada’s stance, at least he come up with some >>> patriotism, I think PFUJ should constitute law regarding the so-called >>> Pakistani journalist who are playing role to damage *PAK SER ZAMEEN’s*image in the world. >>> >>> In the end I must say that I respect Balochis from the core of my heart >>> and it is the reality that they are constantly being deprived of even basic >>> needs. We must have to fight for their rights, they are our part and they >>> mustn’t be neglected. >>> >>> *The prosperous Balochistan is guarantee for prosperous Pakistan.* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> azhar bukhari >>> >>> Daily The Post. LHR >>> >>> 0333 4726648 >>> >>> >>> On 8/13/09, Rizwan Razi wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Everybody >>>> >>>> Please no personal score setting under psudo names. >>>> >>>> Shahzada Irfan and Malik Siraj are worthy colleagues and we are trying >>>> to promote a healthy debate while respecting their opinions. >>>> >>>> Please please please no below the belt move. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Razi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> —————————— >>>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:55:04 +0500 >>>> Subject: Re: A Home-grown Conflict (Don’t give India a clean chit) >>>> From: yaadimran@gmail.com >>>> To: stunningmalik@gmail.com >>>> CC: shahzada.irfan@gmail.com; shaikh.adeel@hotmail.com; >>>> presspakistan@googlegroups.com; shahid@malikshahid.biz; >>>> aq@ahmedquraishi.com >>>> >>>> Dear *Siraj!* >>>> Like many pakistani journalists, I dont agree with u on many points that >>>> u mentioned in ur article. But I agree with u on points that u replied to >>>> Shahzada in the rejoinder……..Honestly speaking I have gone through >>>> various articles wirtten by the “competent” Shahzada in the TNS but found >>>> all of them bellow par —-non of them ever attracted me. And in >>>> comparision, your this article was explicit and well written, professionally >>>> speaking, though I disagree with many points as I mentioed earlier. >>>> The point that Shahzada availed an opportunity to go abroad is not >>>> something exceptional…..hundreds of journalists have done it but are still >>>> “koray” whereas there are thousands others without any foriegn tour, let >>>> alone studies, and much more expressive and comprehensive than the likes of >>>> Shahzada’s…….I am surprised as to what has made Shahzada so proud…..he >>>> is still as anonymous as before with his dull articles and articulations of >>>> things….i often think what would have happened to Shahzada if had been in >>>> the position of a Hamid Mir, Shahid Masood or Ansar Abassi he would have >>>> simply gone made…….Dma dam must kalandar…. >>>> regards >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/13/09, *Malik Siraj Akbar* wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Shahzada, >>>> Greetings, >>>> Thank you very much for your detailed feedback. I will try to reply >>>> accordingly. >>>> >>>> Now what is a competent journalist in your views? Someone who speaks >>>> your preconceived thoughts? I am sorry my dear newspapers no longer look for >>>> writers who preoccupy themselves with “Pakistani journalist” or “Indian >>>> journalist”. I have said it before; I have never identified myself as a >>>> Pakistani or a Muslim journalist. I am simply a journalist. Yes Shahzada, I >>>> am not as competent a journalist as you are because I never had the luxury >>>> of going to Aitchison College or clinching an American fewllowship. But you >>>> offend me with your remarks. >>>> I need no certificate of competency. >>>> I would never accuse you of siding with the US for getting Daniel Pearl >>>> Fellowship because I think you deserve it regardless of the American or >>>> Pakistani governments’ polices. So this is an obsolete cliché, which does >>>> not make us laugh these days, to say that someone is writing against the >>>> government of Pakistan to get a foreign visa or a fellowship. >>>> 2) The objective of the article is to show it to the readers that >>>> Balochistan is an indigenous issue. Before India, similar unsubstantiated >>>> allegations were leveled on countries like Afghanistan, Russia and Iraq as >>>> well in order to hide the actual problem in Balochistan. I mean there was no >>>> Indian hand in1948, 1962 or 1973. Did India ask Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto to oust >>>> the elected government of Sardar Attaullah Mengal in 1973? Did India >>>> recommend Musharraf to kill Akbar Bugti? Did India ask Pakistani >>>> agencies to whisk away its own people and torture them? >>>> >>>> 3) I never talked of the national interest. I have always seen it being >>>> defined by the government of the day. I sincerely hope that my article will >>>> go down with the international human rights organizations that will probe >>>> the missing persons. Secondly, assistance would be given to the Baloch IDPs >>>> as enthusiastically as was done for their compatriots in Swat. >>>> Sir, you are an investigative journalist. Have you ever thought why the >>>> government does not allow UNICEF or other relief organizations to help the >>>> Baloch IDPs? Does it not bother you if things in Balochistan have truly >>>> changed with the arrival of PPP government when several political leaders, >>>> such as Jalil Reki, central information secretary of BRP, Chakar Qambarani, >>>> BRP central committee member etc are still “missing”. >>>> >>>> 4) Bizanjo’s speech in the parliament is to the Baloch what Jinnah’s >>>> speech of August 11, 1947 is to Pakistanis. Since the argument was the idea >>>> of an Islamic Pakistan never appealed to the Baloch, I had to opt for a >>>> quote from an elected leader. Then you could go on for more such references >>>> in the speeches of many Baloch leaders. >>>> Now who is this good fellow informing you that Ghose Baksh Bizanjo was a >>>> Sardar or Nawab? Are you not ridiculing your own knowledge? >>>> My article does not indicate whether or not I support seeking external >>>> financial support. However, as you have recommended someone should ask >>>> Bramdagh Bugti about it. I did. He has clearly answered it in the >>>> article. If Pakistani can use sophisticated American weapons against the >>>> Baloch then what is wrong for an oppressed people to beg for international >>>> help? >>>> In addition, you do not have to blame the writer. I am insignificant in >>>> terms of making decisions. You have to look at these powerful people like >>>> Bramdagh Bugti, Hairbayar Marri, Sardar Akhtar Mengal who openly ask for >>>> foreign assistance. That simply shows something is wrong in Balochistan. >>>> >>>> 5) It is not only the Indians who always hold the ISI and Pakistan >>>> responsible for everything here. There are elements within Pakistan as well. >>>> If Zardari sneezes here, they say the virus was imported by RAW. India or >>>> Pakistan bashing sounds good as long as its confined to politicians, army >>>> men and bureaucrats but when journalists and writers jump on the same >>>> bandwagon, they only undermine their own credibility. All of the comments >>>> that I have received from fellow journalists and members of this mailing >>>> group show that they are defensive. They take positions as Pakistanis. They >>>> fail to see it that this article speaks for a people who are being >>>> systematically crushed. If journalists and writers begin to speak Rehman >>>> Malik’s language then I regret there is no hope of finding the truth and >>>> reaching a solution. >>>> >>>> *A personal note:* >>>> >>>> There is so much internal criticism over the liberal and progressive >>>> people in this country that they prefer to hide their thoughts in order to >>>> avoid being ridiculed. I don’t. I have no qualms in declaring myself as an >>>> atheist. >>>> >>>> Shahzada: Remain assured that I will not mind your words until you use >>>> words like “stupid” “Be sharm” “agent” “traitor” etc for me (as was used by >>>> some people in the previous mails). I will try to convince you as much as I >>>> can. Friends are not meant to be lost. We debate only to learn from each >>>> other. >>>> >>>> You said “I will not be able to shower any words of praise on India till >>>> the time it does something worth it.” I see it differently. I highly admire >>>> India as a success story. Like it or not, there is no comparison between >>>> Pakistan and India. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Malik >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Shahzada Irfan <>>>> shahzada.irfan@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> I have been through the article and the comments it has invited. I >>>> would be very honest in commenting and mean no office to any of those >>>> involved in this debate. I would also request my fellow journalist >>>> friends, who are equally respectable to me, not to put labels on each >>>> other or accuse them working on behest of vested interests. However, >>>> they are free to criticize what they think is wrong and no one is >>>> going to them stop from doing that. >>>> >>>> My comments, observations and suggests follow: >>>> >>>> 1) If you remove the byline, you can’t figure out whether the article >>>> was written by an Indian journalist or a Pakistani journalist. All >>>> this has been published already, in the same unconvincing manner, and >>>> there’s nothing new about it. The ToI editor failed to fully benefit >>>> from the services of a competent journalist who could write from him >>>> from Balochistan. >>>> >>>> 2) While there’s no harm in talking about the rights of Baloch people >>>> and how they have been deprived of them, I think there was no need to >>>> give India a clean chit. The respected writer could have said all >>>> these things without even referring to India. May be it was the Indian >>>> editor who was interested the most in having these lines in the >>>> article and very little about all that’s weaved around them. >>>> >>>> 3) I have never been comfortable with this term “national interest” >>>> used by the so called custodians of the nation. So, our respected >>>> fellow journalist Mr Quraishi could have raised objections against the >>>> content but not for being against the “national ineterest” deciphered >>>> by a few individuals. Who’s going to decide what’s in the national >>>> interest and what’s not? I salute the Pakistani journalists who put >>>> the words “national interest” in quotes in their write-ups and >>>> perturbed General (retired) Musharraf a lot when he was in power. >>>> >>>> 4) The author has carried over-simplistic quotes of a sardar/nawab who >>>> least knows about the miseries of the ordinary people. I grew up with >>>> many of these stars at a school in Lahore (Aitchison College) and am >>>> witness to the princely lifestyle they were used to. Is it necessary >>>> even today to travel to a country to get financial help from them? Can >>>> somebody pose this question to Brahmadagh Bugti? >>>> >>>> 5) Finally, I do not agree with the notion that one must be nice even >>>> with those who are always out to harm you. Indian media and Indian >>>> government never fail to hold Pakistan or ISI responsible for anything >>>> that goes wrong in their country. I agree we must not stoop to that >>>> level and behave similarly without having any strong evidence against >>>> India. But at the same time I think we must not go overboard in our >>>> attempts to prove India a peace loving and neutral state. >>>> >>>> A personal note: >>>> I have observed that many journalists, scholars, researchers and >>>> activists try to prove themselves liberal and progressive by >>>> denouncing their religion and nationality. I take pride in these >>>> identities and wish the others feel the same way. >>>> >>>> I simply spoke my heart out and did not want to enter into any >>>> argument because I think: “Whenever you win an argument, you lose a >>>> friend.” So, Mr Malik we were friends, we are friends and we will >>>> remain friends. But I am sorry I will not be able to shower any words >>>> of praise on India till the time it does something worth it. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Shahzada Irfan Ahmed >>>> 2009 Alfred Friendly/Daniel Pearl Fellow >>>> Houston Chronicle >>>> Houston, Texas, USA >>>> >>>> & >>>> >>>> The News on Sunday, >>>> 13 Davis Road, >>>> Lahore 54900 >>>> Pakistan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/11/09, Adeel Shaikh wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Yes it was very interesting….. >>>> > >>>> > It was one-sided. Carefully targeted towards demonizing Pakistan. >>>> Tactfully >>>> > hitting the right buttons in India. >>>> > No mention of the feudal system and the reason WHY the economic >>>> development >>>> > could not reach the people at the grass roots and stayed at the top. >>>> > No mention of the fact that the feudal lords’ sons roam around in >>>> Islamabad >>>> > in imported sports cars (interesting?), while the poor people back >>>> home >>>> > cannot make ends meet. >>>> > No mention of the royalties payed by the state. No mention of the US >>>> > acknowledgement of the Indian hand involved. >>>> > No mention of vast private armies and arms funded by royalties payed >>>> by the >>>> > state. >>>> > And so conveniently, no mention of target killings of sane professors >>>> and >>>> > teachers all over the province and the reason why the flags of >>>> Pakistan have >>>> > been taken off from schools. >>>> > No mention of abduction of innocent people and assassinations and >>>> scare >>>> > tactics used. >>>> > No mention of the fact where the figures quoted in the article came >>>> from >>>> > when media persons are not allowed inside conflict zones. >>>> > And absolutley no mention of the Baluch people who love Pakistan and >>>> those >>>> > who gave their lives …. but why would anyone take there names … >>>> they are >>>> > not armed. >>>> > >>>> > So many more details carefully left out. >>>> > >>>> > Very interesting indeed… >>>> > >>>> > Congrats! What better accompishment, for a Pakistani writer, than >>>> getting an >>>> > anti-Pakistan article published in the Times of India. >>>> > >>>> > Best Regards, >>>> > >>>> > Adeel. >>>> > >>>> > ________________________________ >>>> > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:06:11 +0500 >>>> > Subject: A Home-grown Conflict >>>> > From: stunningmalik@gmail.com >>>> > To: stunningmalik@gmail.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Dear Friends, >>>> > The following article of mine appeared in the Times of India. I >>>> thought you >>>> > might be interested to read it. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinion/edit-page/Top-Article-A-Home-grown-Conflict/articleshow/4878167.cms >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Top Article: A Home-grown Conflict Malik Siraj Akbar >>>> > 11 August 2009, 12:00am IST >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > | >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > When the first Baloch insurgency broke out in 1948 to resist the >>>> illegal and >>>> > forceful annexation of the Baloch-populated autonomous Kalat state >>>> with >>>> > Pakistan, Manmohan Singh – today Indian prime minister – was barely a >>>> > teenager while his Pakistani counterpart Yousuf Raza Gilani had not >>>> even >>>> > been born to witness the rebellion’s magnitude. Yet, last month, both >>>> > leaders in Sharm el-Sheikh discussed for the first time the >>>> indefatigable >>>> > Baloch insurgency. >>>> > >>>> > Pakistan has been blaming India for causing trouble in its >>>> resource-rich >>>> > province. Gilani broached the issue with India at a time disgruntled >>>> Baloch >>>> > youth have removed the Pakistani flag from schools and colleges and >>>> stopped >>>> > playing the national anthem. Punjabi officers refuse to serve in >>>> > Balochistan, fearing they would be target-killed. Islamabad attributes >>>> the >>>> > unrest to ‘foreign involvement’. India is not the first to be blamed. >>>> > Similar allegations were levelled in the past against the now defunct >>>> Soviet >>>> > Union, Afghanistan and Iraq to discredit the indigenous movement for >>>> > retaining a distinct Baloch identity. Indian assistance sounds >>>> ridiculous >>>> > given that the Baloch do not share a border, common language, religion >>>> or >>>> > history with India. Hardly has 1 per cent of Balochs have visited >>>> India. >>>> > >>>> > The idea of Pakistan never attracted the secular Baloch. Ghose Baksh >>>> > Bizanjo, a Baloch leader, said in 1947: “It is not necessary that by >>>> virtue >>>> > of our being Muslims we should lose our freedom… If the mere fact >>>> that we >>>> > are Muslims requires us to join Pakistan, then Afghanistan and Iran… >>>> > should also amalgamate with Pakistan.” >>>> > >>>> > Over the years, Islamabad has applied a multi-pronged approach to deal >>>> with >>>> > Balochista Apart from military operations launched in 1948, 1958, >>>> 1962, 1973 >>>> > and 2002 to quash the rebellion, Islamabad adopted other tactics. >>>> First, it >>>> > kept the province economically backward by denying it good >>>> infrastructure, >>>> > mainly in education and health. Natural gas was discovered in >>>> Balochistan in >>>> > 1951 and supplied to Punjab’s industrial units. The Balochs hardly >>>> benefit >>>> > from their own gas. >>>> > >>>> > Second, Balochs, whom the state views as traitors, were denied >>>> > representation in the army, foreign services, federal departments, >>>> > profitable corporations, Pakistan International Airlines, customs, >>>> railways >>>> > and other key institutions. Third, Balochistan has historically been >>>> > remote-controlled from Islamabad. A Pakistan army corps commander, >>>> often a >>>> > Punjabi or a Pathan, and the inspector general of the Frontier Corps, >>>> a >>>> > federal paramilitary force with less than 2 per cent Baloch >>>> representation, >>>> > exert more power than the province’s elected chief minister. The >>>> > intelligence agencies devise election plans and decide who has to come >>>> to >>>> > the provincial parliament and who should be ousted. >>>> > >>>> > Fourth, Islamabad has created a state of terror inside Balochistan. >>>> Hundreds >>>> > of check posts have been established to harass people and restrict >>>> their >>>> > movement. Forces and tanks are stationed even on campuses of >>>> universities. >>>> > Fifth, national and international media are denied access to conflict >>>> zones >>>> > in Balochistan. Several foreign journalists were beaten up supposedly >>>> by >>>> > intelligence agencies personnel or deported when they endeavoured to >>>> report >>>> > the actual situation. Sixth, international human rights organisations >>>> are >>>> > denied access to trace the whereabouts of some 5,000 ‘missing >>>> persons’. >>>> > Pakistan is also in a state of denial about the existence of around >>>> 2,00,000 >>>> > internally displaced persons in Balochistan. >>>> > >>>> > Seventh, Islamabad has been engaged in systematic target killing of >>>> key >>>> > Baloch democratic leaders. Ex-governor and chief minister of >>>> Balochistan, >>>> > Nawab Akbar Bugti, 79, became a victim once he demanded Baloch rights. >>>> > Balach Marri, a Balochistan Assembly member, was killed to undermine >>>> the >>>> > movement. In April this year, three other prominent leaders were >>>> whisked >>>> > away by security forces and subsequently killed. >>>> > >>>> > Eighth, Pakistan has pitted radical Taliban against secular and >>>> democratic >>>> > Baloch forces. The state is brazenly funding thousands of religious >>>> schools >>>> > across the province with the help of Arab countries to promote >>>> religious >>>> > radicalisation. Elements supportive of Taliban were covertly helped by >>>> state >>>> > institutions to contest and win general elections. They now enjoy >>>> sizeable >>>> > representation in the Balochistan Assembly to legislate against the >>>> > nationalists and secular forces. >>>> > >>>> > Ninth, Islamabad has been using sophisticated American weapons, >>>> provided to >>>> > crush Taliban, against the Baloch people. This has provided breathing >>>> space >>>> > to Taliban hidden in Quetta and weeded out progressive elements. >>>> Finally, >>>> > Afghan refugees are being patronised to create a demographic imbalance >>>> in >>>> > the Baloch-dominated province. >>>> > >>>> > Baloch leaders are critical of many democratic countries for not doing >>>> > ‘enough’ to safeguard a democratic, secular Baloch people. I asked >>>> Bramdagh >>>> > Bugti, a Baloch commander, about the India link. He laughed and said, >>>> “Would >>>> > our people live amid such miserable conditions if we enjoyed support >>>> from >>>> > India? We are an oppressed people… seeking help from India, the >>>> United >>>> > States, the United Nations and the European Union to come for our >>>> rescue.” >>>> > >>>> > The Baloch movement is rapidly trickling down from tribal chiefs to >>>> educated >>>> > middle-class youth aggressively propagating their cause on Facebook >>>> and >>>> > YouTube. This generation would understandably welcome foreign >>>> assistance but >>>> > will not give up even if denied help from countries like India. The >>>> Baloch >>>> > insist their struggle was not interrupted even at times when India and >>>> > Pakistan enjoyed cordial relations. >>>> > >>>> > The writer is Balochistan bureau chief of Daily Times . >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > — >>>> > —————————– >>>> > Malik Siraj Akbar >>>> > Bureau Chief >>>> > Daily Times >>>> > Office: +92-81-2470051 >>>> > Jazz: +92-300-9384751 Ufone:+92-334-2451985 >>>> > Web: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk >>>> > Blog: http://www.gmcmissing.wordpress.com >>>> > Facebook: http://www.facebook/stunningmalik >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> — >>>> —————————– >>>> Malik Siraj Akbar >>>> Bureau Chief >>>> Daily Times >>>> Office: +92-81-2470051 >>>> Jazz: +92-300-9384751 Ufone:+92-334-2451985 >>>> Web: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk >>>> Blog: http://www.gmcmissing.wordpress.com >>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook/stunningmalik >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> — >> —————————– >> Malik Siraj Akbar >> Bureau Chief >> Daily Times >> Office: +92-81-2470051 >> Jazz: +92-300-9384751 Ufone:+92-334-2451985 >> Web: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk >> Blog: http://www.gmcmissing.wordpress.com >> Facebook: http://www.facebook/stunningmalik >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >

well done Farzana! Any how atleast one of the brain came out with rejoinder based on reality and showing true mirror..By the way who is that person called Malik siraj.. Reg; Khalid Mirpurkhas

Farzana, There is nothing significant that i have to write in response to your mail. Only to the UNICEF issue, you could read this artilcle written by a non-Baloch journalist so that you find out what actually happend wtih the Baloch IDPs.

http://www.newsline.com.pk/newsJun2007/newsbeatjune2007.htm

*Nauman Tasleem:* I did not go to India on SAFMA scholarship. It was in fact SAF [South Asian Foundation] scholarship for which I was chosen. I was selected by none other than your own editor-in-chief Najam Sethi along with Saleema Hashmi of (BNU) and Imtiaz Alam. Let me remind you, even before going to India in 2005, I wrote on Balochistan issues and criticised your beloved army. For instance, I along with Syed Shoaib Hasan did the cover story of *Herald* (October 2005) on the missing persons. It was not Indians who inculcated this idea in me to write against the activities of the Pakistani army and its intelligence agencies. Lastly, I would humbly request you to avial any opportunity that helps you to go to India so that you get a chance to observe the world’s largest democracy and understand how people tolerate each other despite belonging to different religions and ethnic groups. I know I was not supposed to respond to this e-mail but I think it is better to keep the facts right rather than letting many of you distort them. regards Malik

Dear Farzana Sahiba,

Its quite obvious, what this guy is trying to do; i.e. to pitch Pakistanis against each other. By commenting on his nonsense we are playing his dirty little game. Its best not to discuss anything he says or engage him at all.

Adnan

Salaam all,

Please forgive me if I sound naive. Blame it on my ignorance. I generally tend to stay away from such controversial debates which revolve around ethnic complexities of this country but after going through what Mr. Malik has to say, I couldn’t resist making two-points:

1. It seems, Mr. Malik is suffering from a disease called “AIPS (Acquired Immune Punjabi Syndrome), which is at it’s last stage, hence uncurable. I guess Dr. PFUJ can do nothing about it. We should sympathize with him and pray for his well being.

2. Hearsay tells me that the organization Mr. Malik works for is based in Pakistan (read Punjab). It’s owner is a Pakistani (read Punjabi) and hence by inference, he gets paid by a Pakistani (read Punjabi). Assuming that he does not receive finances from “other sources”, I deduce that he manages his living on Pakistani (read Punjabi) money. If all these assumptions are true, I would request the great Punjabi-hater, first to prove himself to be his words’ worth. Only then we should discuss the issue further.

And yes, the last time, I looked up a dictionary, “hypocrites” was the term describing such people.

Kind regards

Tariq Qayum Aljazeera

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Farzana Shah wrote:

I forgot to add. Mr. Malik I respect your views, so I would expect you to respect mine.

Regards Tariq Qayum Aljazeera

On Aug 15, 10:37 am, Tariq Qayum wrote: >  Salaam all, > > Please forgive me if I sound naive. Blame it on my ignorance. I generally > tend to stay away from such controversial debates which revolve around > ethnic complexities of this country but after going through what Mr. Malik > has to say, I couldn’t resist making two-points: > > 1. It seems, Mr. Malik is suffering from a disease called “AIPS (Acquired > Immune Punjabi Syndrome), which is at it’s last stage, hence uncurable. I > guess Dr. PFUJ can do nothing about it. We should sympathize with him and > pray for his well being. > > 2. Hearsay tells me that the organization Mr. Malik works for is based in > Pakistan (read Punjab). It’s owner is a Pakistani (read Punjabi) and hence > by inference, he gets paid by a Pakistani (read Punjabi). Assuming that he > does not receive finances from “other sources”, I deduce that he manages his > living on Pakistani (read Punjabi) money. If all these assumptions are true, > I would request the great Punjabi-hater, first to prove himself to be > his words’ worth. Only then we should discuss the issue further. > > And yes, the last time, I looked up a dictionary, “hypocrites” was the term > describing such people. > > Kind regards > > Tariq Qayum > Aljazeera > > > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Farzana Shah wrote: > > Ok Mr  Malik Siraj > > Up till now i had refrained from commenting on your super duper piece for > > Indian paper. I wonder what makes you proud when even Indian themselves > > consider Times of India a second rate newspaper which is mostly banking on > > propaganda items. But anyway that is another issue. > > > Your bellow reply forced me to comment. Primarily > > > 1. You tried to pitch Pakistanis from other provinces against Pakistanis > > from the biggest province population-wise. > > So kindy spare the Pakistanis in Sindh, NWFP and even Balochistan. You can > > speak for your ownself but not for us what we think about our fellow > > Pakistanis from another province. > > > 2. I am from NWFP  and it is indeed easy for me to blam Punjab for all our > > ills in NWFP  but then again i have to look into my own local leaders who > > have one way or the other joined hands with rulers putting the inrests of > > locals for their own rule. > > > So basically i would blam my own local political leaders for letting us > > down. > > No doubt there are injustices made with smaller provinces and i do agree > > with you on that. But sparing your own waderas, and sardars of their role in > > keeping their people deprived of development is indeed a hypocracy. > > > 3. When was the last time you had the courage to call spade a spade viz viz > > attrocities by Bugtis, Marries, Mengals and  other Sardars with their own > > common Balochs in Balochistan. > > > *4. in one of your replies you said Why the  government is not allowing > > UNICEF and other relief orgs to work for Balochis. Are you not lying through > > your teeth here ??? When was the last time Government of Pakistan had banned > > any UN org from carrying out relief work in Balochistan?* > > ** > > *Wasnt it the same BLA terrorists who had abducted the UN official who was > > doing relief work in Balochistan and wasnt it the same situation which your > > BLA terrorists created after which UN annoucned to halt its activities there > > last month.* > > > So kindly do not mislead people. You have the right to cash in the > > situation and write whatever you want in Indian media as well as Daily > > Times.  We have no concern with that. > > > Regards > >   On 8/13/09, Malik Siraj Akbar wrote: > > >> Hello, > > >> I am relaxed to see that 99% of these abusive mails emanate from the > >> Punjab and Punjabi so-called journalists. That in itself has exposed many of > >> you. Since you guys constitute our version of Americans and keep endlessly > >> asking whey they ( Balochs, Sindhis, Phatans and Sarakis) hate us so much, > >> you should know by now what actually is wrong with you. > > >> There is something wrong with Pakistan because there is something wrong > >> with the Punjabi mindset which is unwilling to compromise on less than > >> domination and hegemony. > > >> I wonder if Punjabi intellectuals (like the ones who keep posting abusive > >> e-mails not the real ones, of course because I idealize many good Punjabis > >> journalists and writers) can not tolerate a Baloch writer’s contribution in > >> an international publication, how on the earth are they going to tolerate > >> the Balochs become the master of their own natural resources. If you are > >> reluctant to tolerate a dissenting opinion piece, how are you going to give > >> autonomy to Balochistan? > > >> Get a life guys. You have hundreds of newspapers and dozens of news > >> channels of your own. You have Ahmed Qurashis who call day as night, war as > >> peace, boy as girl, Baloch as Balochi but still they are acceptable to you > >> as ‘objective intellectuals’.  On the other hand, a contribution by a > >> Baloch journalist suddenly becomes treason. Because you have never treated > >> us as Pakistanis. You hate us. You can not tolerate us. Your saying that > >> “Balochis hamary bahi hain” has been exposed only with the publication of > >> one article what you mean with Balochis as your bahi. > > >> These self-proclaimed Pakistani nationalists from Punjab think they are > >> the ones to define what the ideology of Pakistan and the problem of > >> Balochistan are. They are unwilling to share. They want to get hold of > >> everything. They want to clinch international fellowships. They think they > >> are the only ones to become anchorpersons. They want to become the analysts. > >> They want to define everything. Now that only one Baloch journalist tries to > >> give a Baloch perspective to the whole world, you resort to the worst > >> personal criticism. > > >> I know some very top journalists and writers of Pakistan are following > >> this debate. They have been giving me their feedback through personal > >> e-mails, SMS and phone calls. I am glade they appreciate my work as > >> something ‘out of the box’. On their instructions, including that of my > >> friend Ahmed Raza from the BBC, I am signing off from this debate. > > >> For Shahzada, I am sorry sir. I can not side with you. You made an attempt > >> to publicly ridicule me which completely failed. Now you think I will be > >> joining you to ridicule some other fellow journalist. Give me a break. For > >> that matter, please find a ‘competent journalist’ from Balochistan, to > >> borrow a phrase from you. > > >> Regards > > >> Malik > > >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Azhar Bukhari wrote: > > >>> *Happy Independence Day!** (only to real countrymen not all)* > > >>> Malik Siraj of Daily Times is nothing but a black spot on the face of > >>> journalism, he is among of those people who have not yet accepted Pakistan > >>> as a sovereign country. > > >>> Malik claims he is simply a journalist, I must say he is a predator using > >>> this pious profession as a tool to achieve the targets set by some NGO’s > >>> funded by India. > > >>> Sorry Mr Razi, after reading his article discussing Pakistan’s internal > >>> affairs in an Indian daily, how can a patriot give him respect. He is just a > >>> BULL SHITT!!! > > >>> The man who wrote a lengthy article to protect the prostitution and > >>> tempted the masses to take prostitution as an industry and give due respect > >>> to prostitutes, CAN HE BE RESPECTED??? Malik appreciates a US return lady Dr > >>> Fouzia Saeed who become a prostitute to FEEL the hardships facing by that > >>> community for her “MASTERPIECE” Taboo. Dr Fouzia’s anthropological > >>> approach forced her to spend years in Shahi Muhallah, wow itz gr8!!!! > > >>> Malik is of the view that the prostitution must not be shut down even in > >>> Ramdan and Muharram, as it is against the human rights. Mr Malik you are > >>> great, lagay raho WE ALL ARE HIJRRAS no one can give u a SHUT UP > > >>> Mr Malik you are right, one should kill a man to know what a murder FEELS > >>> after killing somebody. Wow itz a gr8 way of learning, carry on > > >>> People like malik, who are following western trends living in eastern > >>> societies can only cause destruction in both the societies and in the end > >>> neither local nor the other culture they could adopt. They spend all their > >>> lives to find their identities. Just Shame on these so called intellectuals. > >>> Jis mein khate hain usi mein cheid kerte hain > > >>> No Razi sb I can’t respect Malik’s approach. > > >>> I highly appreciate Shahzada’s stance, at least he come up with some > >>> patriotism, I think PFUJ should constitute law regarding the so-called > >>> Pakistani journalist who are playing role to damage *PAK SER ZAMEEN’s*image in the world. > > >>> In the end I must say that I respect Balochis from the core of my heart > >>> and it is the reality that they are constantly being deprived of even basic > >>> needs. We must have to fight for their rights, they are our part and they > >>> mustn’t be neglected. > > >>> *The prosperous Balochistan is guarantee for prosperous Pakistan.* > > >>> Regards, > > >>> azhar bukhari > > >>> Daily The Post. LHR > > >>> 0333 4726648 > > >>> On 8/13/09, Rizwan Razi wrote: > > >>>> Hi Everybody > > >>>> Please no personal score setting under psudo names. > > >>>> Shahzada Irfan and Malik Siraj are worthy colleagues and we are trying > >>>> to promote a healthy debate while respecting their opinions. > > >>>> Please please please no below the belt move. > > >>>> Cheers > > >>>> Razi > > >>>>   ** > > >>>> —————————— > >>>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:55:04 +0500 > >>>> Subject: Re: > > … > > read more »- Hide quoted text – > > – Show quoted text -

to Mr.Malik Siraj Akbar and all other friends! I am Zulkifil Sarfraz from Kashmir. 1 was disoppinted to read the unhealthy debate and it is unfortunate that being the intelectuals of Pakistani nation you are breaking the utencils of your home at squares and prolonging the unhealthy debate unnecessarly and making the enemies of Pakistan lough. being a Kashmiri and sympathy of Pakistan i would like to request you kindly serve the cause of your country and highlight the issues of masses interest and don,t indulge in petty issues. As for as Mr Malik iraj Akbar and his remarks are concerned i would like to request Mr. Malik! please give up baditants against each other and don,t betray from your Pakistani identity and proud to be Pakistani as well as Bloch Muslim not an atheist. i know the Blochistan problem and i would request you not to target any province of Pakistan but to target those Sardars and other so called nationalist leaders who have deprived common Blocihes from education,health and other basic emnities of life andthey still enjoying the royalties of natural resources of Blochistan while doing politics outside Pakistan and also becoming the tool of Indian agencies. it is true that Blochi people are suffering due to neglegence of political leadership of this country and it is bitter to say that unfortunately after Quad-e-Azam Pakistan is facing leadership crises however,the people of Pakistan are also responcible who never use the bellot on merit. As far as India is concerned Mr.malik you have never been in India as a common Muslim or non Brahman Hindu and who are experiencing such citizen in India let dare to ask them what kind of hatred they are facing. you have termed India as democratic country, yes it is! but for Hindus not for Muslims. you should know that 20% population in India is comprising on Muslims but they are being denied for whilte color jobs and top posts in Army. As i being Kashmiri let me inform you that Kashmir was never part of India and India forcibly occupied our land of paradise and turned it in to hell by killing innocent Kashmiri people for just demanding their right to self-determination which also accepted by Indian leadership. i would not go in detail and i would like to request you that come to the point and understand the world politics and the anti musilm conspiracies which are being hatched around us..pleaqse don,t become the tool of out sider directly or indirectly.just highlight the genuin issues of Blochistan within the internal politics and all national journalist community will be with you. external powers will never listen to you and respect your issues but they will try to use you as a tool just for their nafarious designs. thanks with best wishes SZsarfraz AJK Muzaffarabad

Mr Malik The reasons in Ur write up is best said as a storm in a tea cup. It is always a broad ended salvo. Ziadati and zulm on the baluchis. But the same is never defined in explicit terms. Such subliminal phrases are used mainly to instigate. I have stayed in Baluchistan. The same story – East Pakistan style. So the main mouth piece is RAW. There is this news paper from Karachi “Intikhab” but circulation is only in Baluchistan. Same wordings. Broad ended salvos- nothing concrete- except that all natural resources have been taken away by punjab. Cooincidently it was that dictator Zia who blessed them with the gas- pumping thousand of feet with a number of boosters. The fellows gaming this, twist and turn stories at no end- in fact the most scandlous ones. Knowing a few of such stories in person I also doubt the story of Dr Shazia Khalid. Once I told one of the very senior Baluchi that there are 500 plus cases of suicides in Karachi in that one year alone and over 800 plus in Sind – most of which are due to lack of jobs- but how many were there in Baluchistan. There was a mum silence. I continued, that the purpose of my discussion was not to render you without any answer but I am trying to figure out how to remove the poison injected in you. During Azad Kashmirs earth quake What did Baluchistan contribute or donate? How much pain was felt by them? only some places Jamat e islami set up camps- the response was poor. I had alll along felt that the main culprit in this is Khan of kalat- whose interests are well known. Mr Malik also knows or should know that plenty of funds are pledged for the development of funds since the past 25 years. Two very senior DMG fellows( Baluchis) confided that the funds get lapsed because of the non availability of the trained manpower for the projects. There was an occassion when in the past all non baluchi teachers were asked to leave. what happenned there after? Some of the very honest baluchis admit that this was a big mistake. To OUR baluchi friends as even now pl. let us know of the exact excesses that have been committed on the the Baluchis, so that we also hold your hands and stand up and fight along with you so that equal justice is provided to our angry brothers. Mr Malik is also naive or atleast appears to be so, when else where he mentioned that there is no India on the borders of Baluchistan. Yes, but are there no Indian sympathetic hindus – of which Baluchistan has a sizeable population, hang around the corridors of influence in Baluchistan? regards am

On Aug 14, 1:31 pm, Malik Siraj Akbar wrote: > Hello, > > I am relaxed to see that 99% of these abusive mails emanate from the Punjab > and Punjabi so-called journalists. That in itself has exposed many of you. > Since you guys constitute our version of Americans and keep endlessly asking > whey they ( Balochs, Sindhis, Phatans and Sarakis) hate us so much, you > should know by now what actually is wrong with you. > > There is something wrong with Pakistan because there is something wrong with > the Punjabi mindset which is unwilling to compromise on less than domination > and hegemony. > > I wonder if Punjabi intellectuals (like the ones who keep posting abusive > e-mails not the real ones, of course because I idealize many good Punjabis > journalists and writers) can not tolerate a Baloch writer’s contribution in > an international publication, how on the earth are they going to tolerate > the Balochs become the master of their own natural resources. If you are > reluctant to tolerate a dissenting opinion piece, how are you going to give > autonomy to Balochistan? > > Get a life guys. You have hundreds of newspapers and dozens of news channels > of your own. You have Ahmed Qurashis who call day as night, war as peace, > boy as girl, Baloch as Balochi but still they are acceptable to you as > ‘objective intellectuals’.  On the other hand, a contribution by a Baloch > journalist suddenly becomes treason. Because you have never treated us as > Pakistanis. You hate us. You can not tolerate us. Your saying that “Balochis > hamary bahi hain” has been exposed only with the publication of one article > what you mean with Balochis as your bahi. > > These self-proclaimed Pakistani nationalists from Punjab think they are the > ones to define what the ideology of Pakistan and the problem of Balochistan > are. They are unwilling to share. They want to get hold of everything. They > want to clinch international fellowships. They think they are the only ones > to become anchorpersons. They want to become the analysts. They want to > define everything. Now that only one Baloch journalist tries to give a > Baloch perspective to the whole world, you resort to the worst personal > criticism. > > I know some very top journalists and writers of Pakistan are following this > debate. They have been giving me their feedback through personal e-mails, > SMS and phone calls. I am glade they appreciate my work as something ‘out of > the box’. On their instructions, including that of my friend Ahmed Raza from > the BBC, I am signing off from this debate. > > For Shahzada, I am sorry sir. I can not side with you. You made an attempt > to publicly ridicule me which completely failed. Now you think I will be > joining you to ridicule some other fellow journalist. Give me a break. For > that matter, please find a ‘competent journalist’ from Balochistan, to > borrow a phrase from you. > > Regards > > Malik > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Azhar Bukhari wrote: > > *Happy Independence Day!** (only to real countrymen not all)* > > > Malik Siraj of Daily Times is nothing but a black spot on the face of > > journalism, he is among of those people who have not yet accepted Pakistan > > as a sovereign country. > > > Malik claims he is simply a journalist, I must say he is a predator using > > this pious profession as a tool to achieve the targets set by some NGO’s > > funded by India. > > > Sorry Mr Razi, after reading his article discussing Pakistan’s internal > > affairs in an Indian daily, how can a patriot give him respect. He is just a > > BULL SHITT!!! > > > The man who wrote a lengthy article to protect the prostitution and tempted > > the masses to take prostitution as an industry and give due respect to > > prostitutes, CAN HE BE RESPECTED??? Malik appreciates a US return lady Dr > > Fouzia Saeed who become a prostitute to FEEL the hardships facing by that > > community for her “MASTERPIECE” Taboo. Dr Fouzia’s anthropological > > approach forced her to spend years in Shahi Muhallah, wow itz gr8!!!! > > > Malik is of the view that the prostitution must not be shut down even in > > Ramdan and Muharram, as it is against the human rights. Mr Malik you are > > great, lagay raho WE ALL ARE HIJRRAS no one can give u a SHUT UP > > > Mr Malik you are right, one should kill a man to know what a murder FEELS > > after killing somebody. Wow itz a gr8 way of learning, carry on > > > People like malik, who are following western trends living in eastern > > societies can only cause destruction in both the societies and in the end > > neither local nor the other culture they could adopt. They spend all their > > lives to find their identities. Just Shame on these so called intellectuals. > > Jis mein khate hain usi mein cheid kerte hain > > > No Razi sb I can’t respect Malik’s approach. > > > I highly appreciate Shahzada’s stance, at least he come up with some > > patriotism, I think PFUJ should constitute law regarding the so-called > > Pakistani journalist who are playing role to damage *PAK SER ZAMEEN’s*image in the world. > > > In the end I must say that I respect Balochis from the core of my heart and > > it is the reality that they are constantly being deprived of even basic > > needs. We must have to fight for their rights, they are our part and they > > mustn’t be neglected. > > > *The prosperous Balochistan is guarantee for prosperous Pakistan.* > > > Regards, > > > azhar bukhari > > > Daily The Post. LHR > > > 0333 4726648 > > > On 8/13/09, Rizwan Razi wrote: > > >> Hi Everybody > > >> Please no personal score setting under psudo names. > > >> Shahzada Irfan and Malik Siraj are worthy colleagues and we are trying to > >> promote a healthy debate while respecting their opinions. > > >> Please please please no below the belt move. > > >> Cheers > > >> Razi > > >>   ** > > >> —————————— > >> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:55:04 +0500 > >> Subject: Re: A Home-grown Conflict (Don’t give India a clean chit) > >> From: yaadim…@gmail.com > >> To: stunningma…@gmail.com > >> CC: shahzada.ir…@gmail.com; shaikh.ad…@hotmail.com; > >> presspakistan@googlegroups.com; sha…@malikshahid.biz; > >> a…@ahmedquraishi.com > > >> Dear *Siraj!* > >> Like many pakistani journalists, I dont agree with u on many points that u > >> mentioned in ur article. But I agree with u on points that u replied to > >> Shahzada in the rejoinder……..Honestly speaking I have gone through > >> various articles wirtten by the “competent” Shahzada in the TNS but found > >> all of them bellow par —-non of them ever attracted me. And in > >> comparision, your this article was explicit and well written, professionally > >> speaking, though I disagree with many points as I mentioed earlier. > >> The point that Shahzada availed an opportunity to go abroad is not > >> something exceptional…..hundreds of journalists have done it but are still > >> “koray” whereas there are thousands others without any foriegn tour, let > >> alone studies, and much more expressive and comprehensive than the likes of > >> Shahzada’s…….I am surprised as to what has made Shahzada so proud…..he > >> is still as anonymous as before with his dull articles and articulations of > >> things….i often think what would have happened to Shahzada if had been in > >> the position of a Hamid Mir, Shahid Masood or Ansar Abassi he would have > >> simply gone made…….Dma dam must kalandar…. > >> regards > > >> On 8/13/09, *Malik Siraj Akbar* wrote: > > >> Dear Shahzada, > >> Greetings, > >> Thank you very much for your detailed feedback. I will try to reply > >> accordingly. > > >> Now what is a competent journalist in your views? Someone who speaks your > >> preconceived thoughts? I am sorry my dear newspapers no longer look for > >> writers who preoccupy themselves with “Pakistani journalist” or “Indian > >> journalist”. I have said it before; I have never identified myself as a > >> Pakistani or a Muslim journalist. I am simply a journalist. Yes Shahzada, I > >> am not as competent a journalist as you are because I never had the luxury > >> of going to Aitchison College or clinching an American fewllowship. But you > >> offend me with your remarks. > >> I need no certificate of competency. > >> I would never accuse you of siding with the US for getting Daniel Pearl > >> Fellowship because I think you deserve it regardless of the American or > >> Pakistani governments’ polices. So this is an obsolete cliché, which does > >> not make us laugh these days, to say that someone is writing against the > >> government of Pakistan to get a foreign visa or a fellowship. > >> 2) The objective of the article is to show it to the readers that > >> Balochistan is an indigenous issue. Before India, similar unsubstantiated > >> allegations were leveled on countries like Afghanistan, Russia and Iraq as > >> well in order to hide the actual problem in Balochistan. I mean there was no > >> Indian hand in1948, 1962 or 1973. Did India ask Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto to oust > >> the elected government of Sardar Attaullah Mengal in 1973? Did India > >> recommend Musharraf to kill Akbar Bugti?  Did India ask Pakistani > >> agencies to whisk away its own people and torture them? > > >> 3) I never talked of the national interest. I have always seen it being > >> defined by the government of the day. I sincerely hope that my article will > >> go down with the international human rights organizations that will probe > >> the missing persons. Secondly, assistance would be given to the Baloch IDPs > >> as enthusiastically as was done for their compatriots in Swat. > >> Sir, you are an investigative journalist. Have you ever thought why the > >> government does not allow UNICEF or other relief organizations to help the > >> Baloch IDPs? Does it not bother you if things in Balochistan have truly > >> changed with the arrival of PPP > > … > > read more »