Richard,
You don’t need to be abusive to make your point. I don’t even get what point you are trying to debate here with Mr Mulindwa because looking at what you have written here there is a lot you have in common with Mr Mulindwa and your argument is based at the same starting point. You see the problem most of you have is to think you are the only ones who have brains and the rest don’t, when I read you saying Did Obote apply for permission from anyone before attacking the Lubiri or abrogating our constitituion? But why don’t you tell us why he attacked the Lubiri in the first place. Why is it Museveni the hero of most of you baganda didn’t restore the same status Obote removed and why no one has come out and criticised him. And if really you want us to believe that gesture of him returning the kabakaship was not to buy of some support as he consolidated his power, why is it that today he even speaks of beheading the Kabaka? And why hasn’t he returned that good thing to his area Ankole. You see the problem the majority of you have is that you have failed to understand what the fundamental causes of these disagreement were, and you have followed on bluntly with this agreement of how Obote was wrong to abolish that federal and semi federal constitution which didn’t only make the rest of Ugandan slaves of Buganda but even brought them together in a union there had no sake in. Fundamentally Museveni and the majority of Ugandans had an issue with the 1900 agreement and that action of the white to pay off some 1000 people for the supporting them make other slaves with land, and even when Museveni had those issues he had to achieve what he wanted and if that might playing baganda he had to do that, this is the reason under his leadership and even more leaders to come in Uganda, no one will ever return to Buganda that status the British gave them. Even if many don’t come out and say it, any one with analytical brain can easily see this. It is even evident by the way after those NRM guys coming to power they gave themselves pieces of land. But what is also fascinating is when you say I remember dropping my Kiganda name because UNLA soldiers could get upset by just reading Mukasa in my ID card. Which implies then you had all the reasons to sympathy with those who were fighting Obote, but that was never Obote’s amry, yes he failed to control it and that is one of his major weakness but politicans are not there to install discipline in the army. The army in places where there is democracy is a separate institution from the exectutive and the failures and indiscipline of the army must be blamed at the army leadership, yes the head of state is the commander in chief but for the armies Obote inheretied there is no way one can blame him for their indiscpline, the first army was created by the British and the second one was just put together. You even forget for a long time we had those Tanzanians soldiers still in our country. This is why you see the only person who had controlled the second army was David, and this why those bagandas had to get rid of him thinking the tides would shift but they realised things were not going to be as easy as they thought that is why then then manipulated the Acholi generals to fight Obote. The scheming game did not end after the removal of Muteesa, the dynamics controlled though naively people had under estimate what Obote had done in turning Uganda a republic even those who didn’t like him agree it was the best to have come out of his leadership, it is only the royals who complain. Now the agreement Mr Mulindwa is trying to put forward is not for Ugandans today to bluntly support people because of the immediate problem the have, they have to have look at the root cause of the problem and seek solutions. The problem is Ugandans is greed for status, which powers gives and this is the reason they all don’t want to live, this is throughout all out insitutions, no one wants to live, and if you ask yourself do people really have anyway to go if the live. Now what is there for people to do if they live those positions of power. You see in some of these developed countries when PM and presidents live power they have a lot to do, in fact they make even more money out of office. You see it is even sad that some of you people who would see what others don’t you are the one who actually see nothing, I can’t believe it when I read You keep romantising Uganda’s history as if Uganda has any history to romantisise about. I was alive in Uganda during Obote’s regim and I never saw no excellent hospitals, excellent roads, wonderful schools, running water, wonderful justice system and the respect for the human rights in Uganda. Then I ask my self then why if you don’t see any difference between then and now why should you be against Museveni, why should you be opposing him. You see I think we get what we deserve, because if a person like you can’t see what Obote did then you will never see anything any one does. If today people don’t even get ashamed to praise Amin, yet one can’t even compare what Obote did to Amin’s. You are one person who benefited from Obote’s work, you were educated for free, you parents had jobs for life, you carried a passport of the republic of Uganda, you got chance to mix with different cultures and tribes thus enriching you, your mother gave birth to you and other for fire, then even each village had a health assistant, and you are here cursing the man. Obote was God sent, take it or live it, today all the faciltities people are using if Obote had not built them then trust me we would be having serious problems, in fact Museveni would have had nothing to sell. Those cooperatives which Obote formed and the food reserve store he built are the reason you are here today, if you are sincere and you look back to your past, if your kid today passes through that same route, there is no chance he can reach where you are today. How many people did the UPC gov’t educate on scholarship in these west countries and it was not of being someone’s son or daughter. You people are funny very funny indeed.
I don’t agree with Mr Mulindwa on some issues but I 100% we should make our future leaders accountable, I for one don’t share his argument that whoever went to Luweero can not be part of the struggle today, I believe they went to luweero believing in what they were told and I don’t blame them since they then saw that actually what they thought there had fought for is not what was happening. Many of those guys actually saw it at an early stage and just stayed in to see maybe if things would change.
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 12:38:49 +0100 From: richard.mukasa@rocketmail.com Subject: RE: {UAH} GGWE JOHN NSUBUGA. Gwe mulindwa To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
You know what Mulindwa.You are ill. Mentally ill. Who stopped you from supporting the dead man for the presidence of Uganda?
Who forced Mugisha Muntu on you and when did that take place?
You wrote that I and Nsubuga allowed M7 to kill Northerners can you prove this? Was I or Nsubuga in charge of issuing killing permits to rebels in Uganda?
I never issued any orders or permission to Obote or M7 to go and kill people in Uganda. I have no idea what you are talking about. That is why I think that you are mentally ill.
Obote, UNLA, NRA, UFM, FEDMO, HSM, LRA , FOBA etc do not need permission to kill. They never applied for permission to kill Ugandans. They just did it.
Did Obote apply for permission from anyone before attacking the Lubiri or abrogating our constitituion?
You are the most foolish man on this forum. You completely never understood what we are telling you. All we are saying is that get a job and have a life. Roaming from one forum to another is causing you poverty and that is why you assume that if Obote was alive, you would not be spending all your time on the net.
You can pretend to have known Obote so much that you are gonna spend all your life moaning his death. But that will not take away your responsibilities to be a man who can wake up and go to work.
You keep romantising Uganda’s history as if Uganda has any history to romantisise about. I was alive in Uganda during Obote’s regim and I never saw no excellent hospitals, excellent roads, wonderful schools, running water, wonderful justice system and the respect for the human rights in Uganda.
That is why I keep telling you that you are living in a huge UTOPIA. My memories of Obote’s regim are very different from your. I remember making sure that we had to have money in our pockets because it was a requirement on road blocks.
I remember dropping my Kiganda name because UNLA soldiers could get upset by just reading Mukasa in my ID card.
I remember looking helpless as UNLA was helping themselves with our properties.
But I do not dwell on the past all the time. I have the present to care about. Many of us have families and businesses to run. The past is of no use to me. My approach to life is a prospective one and not the restropective one which you enjoy.
It is not out of fear but out of a feeling for what is right that we should abstain from doing wrong.” “Doing right is based most of all on respecting the other person.” “We ought to do our best to help those who have suffered injustice.” “The wise man belongs to all countries, for the whole world is a homeland to a great heart.” “Poverty in a democracy is as much to be preferred to so-called prosperity under despots as freedom is to slavery” “I would rather discover a single causal law than be king of Persia!” Democritus (ca. 460 BC – ca. 370 BC)
— On Tue, 17/5/11, Monsieur Edward Mulindwa wrote:
From: Monsieur Edward Mulindwa Subject: RE: {UAH} GGWE JOHN NSUBUGA. Gwe mulindwa To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, 17 May, 2011, 22:32
Mwami Richard Mukasa
The past builds the future, when you forget the past you have no future, and I will give you a very good example, do you think Kayihura started on beating up Ugandans in Kampala? The answer is no he started in Northern Uganda. The danger of your irks and Nsubuga is to forget that you built him by allowing him to beat the Northerners and today when he starts to beat up in Buganda you start to yell? I saw some where Nsubuga lamenting about Besigye being driven on pickup truck, big deal? Is he dead? No. Was he tied Akandoya? No so what is Nsubuga’s real beef here? Wellcome to Uganda that is what it has been for the last almost 30 years when you were in Otulo Nsubuga. Ugandans have been tied Akandoya and died of pain, children already shot, in fact the baby in Masaka was very lucky to die at age 2 many Uganda babies in Northern Uganda did not see age 2 all thanks to Dr Kiiza Besigye and the rest of Movementists that were murdering Ugandans as Nsubuga was kwebaka kutulo. Facts need to be told.
But let me state this too, you must look at history to know how a prospective leader will behave, and allow me to again give you another example here. One day in Eastern Uganda, UPDF arrested several Ugandans, they were dragged into a township called Mukura, packed into a petrol train tank and the tank was burned. Because there was fuel in the tank and because the tank had been doused with fuel, the people inside did not make it. Up to today we do not know how many Ugandans were doused on that single day. Although some of us posted that information in Ugandanet, John Nsubuga did not care for all that died were not Baganda. Now why is this information very important today? Because at a time, Mugisha Muntu was the commander of UPDF. So a critical thinker backs off and ask a simple question, did Mugisha Muntu authorize his soldiers to burn Ugandans in Mukura? If he did not authorize them, where is his outrage? There is no known statement that has ever been made by Mugisha Muntu regarding those very terrible murders, and if soldiers of UPDF decided to murder Ugandans in that manner and the commander does not disassociate himself from that brutal act, it makes him very liable. As you read this writing, till when we hear any new information, Mugisha Muntu authorized UPDF to murder the Ugandans in Mukura.
Today you are asking me to forget the history and care about the today and tomorrow. But you not only stop at that, you are also shoveling Mugisha Muntu in my throat as a prospective leader of Uganda. Do I look that dumn to you? No if Mugisha Muntu directed his soldiers to murder Ugandans in Mukura he and his soldiers must be held responsible and sued under Uganda constitution. That is the only decision making sense sir. We cannot keep on recycling these killers for leaders and future leaders especially when we have this kind of Bwiino on them. Mugisha Muntu as I have stated on all of them must be given a chance under Uganda law to stand in front of a judge while under oath and explain the murder of Ugandans in Mukura train wagons. We simply cannot keep on moving on when we leave those dead to defend themselves, for if we do that we will reach a very terrible position of John Nsubuga that praised Museveni till he started to murder in Buganda. For when Nsubuga today starts to tell us about Museveni and his dictatorial system, many of his statements are not only silly but childish, naïve, un called for and many times out right plain stupid.
Governments change for the population is ready for change, I have argued to Isaac Ballamu that Ugandans are not ready for change as they are not ready for freedom of speech, and here is a better explanation, on all that I have expressed on Mugisha Muntu above, John Nsubuga does not have a problem to support FDC although Mugisha Muntu is a member of its leadership. He sees no evil no wrong doing for his politics is based solely on tribal differences. He is waiting for a day when Mugisha Muntu start to tank Baganda in trains then he will wallow back and sings I was duped. But here is a second character you need to be very worried about, Nina. You see last week when I raised the issue of Mugisha Muntu marrying a minor, Nina stated that I do not seem to have a lot of respect to Muntu and she had nothing she would do about it. Now that is very strange, for Muntu under his command we lost so many Ugandans by UPDF hand, we lost the Mukura people, but we lost tens of thousands in Northern Uganda. How can Nina expect me to respect him today? Have the graves left Uganda? The answer is no but she is a typical Ugandan that does not care to take a minute to understand what a prospective leader did and what he is capable to do, she is a true Ugandan woman that sees Mugisha Muntu and kneels down and greats and walks away. The Museveni’s and Besigyes have fade on these brains to be able to be in power this long.
Which brings me back to Obote. You claim that I love Obote, man you have no idea how many complaints I have on this man. We are suffering today and abused in these forums for Obote made sure that the John Nsubugas of today are alive. How do you think Nsubuga was immunized? By Sir Edward Mutesa’s government? Hell no it was AMO that was sending doctors in schools he had built so that the Nsubugas get immunized. I swear to you that if you check the left hand of Nsubuga today he has the AMO seal. Do you know the AMO seal? The mark on your upper hand where you got immunized in primary school. AMOs doctors were sent in all villages to hunt down Nsubuga to get immunized so that he does not die of Measles, so that he doesn’t die of Polio and then he sent him text books and for free in any school whether it was a government school a church school or a Moslem school it did not matter to AMO. It did not matter if Nsubuga is a Muganda a Munyoro a Rwandese a Munyankole did not matter he had access to immunization, education and free text books. And his mother had a community center to teach her on how to limit the Nsubugas she pukes out. Had AMO not done all that, I would probably had a nice evening today than bothering with forums discussions for Nsubuga wrote nonsense. Polio would have already exterminated him let alone measles. But now that AMO kept him alive we are going to debate with him, with childish politics he has till when he sees the country going to hell which will be the day John Nsubuga will walk all way from Kampala on his bare foot to Lango, kneel before the grave of the old man, raise his hands to God and say a prayer to God for giving him a chance to be born in a country where AMO was the president and not Yoweri Museveni or Dr Kiiza Besigye
At that time John Nsubuga will call out AMO and he will not respond.
EM On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group “With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kizza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy” Groupe de communication Mulindwas “avec Yoweri Museveni et Docteur Kiiza Besigye, l’Ouganda est dans l’anarchie”
From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Mukasa Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:58 AM To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: {UAH} GGWE JOHN NSUBUGA. Gwe mulindwa
Mulindwa
I do not live in past tense. I only have one life and is in present tense. I do not give a damn about what Obote did and did not . All that I care about is what I have done for myself and for Uganda.
Right now, ask yourself. What do you do when you wake up? Reflect on the structure of your life. You wake up in the morning and all you do is roaming from one forum to another abusing, King Ronald Mutebi, Kizza Besigye, and the Baganda. This is all that you are worth.
Do you have a business in Canada? Do you take calculated business risks? Do you differ your gratification, humble yourself and go to work? Do you sacrifice time to go and at least study to get a qualification? Of course not.
What then do you do?
You wake up in the morning and lie to your heart/self that actually the date of the day is 1981 and not 2011. And because it is 1981, that you are running away from the war in Luwero. That year is 1981 so you wake you wake to read Munno news paper because there is a war in the country and therefore there is no work.
Then you go on calling Obote’s name day and night nga omusezi bwakola. Calling the dead for help is not only an acceptance of failure but a symptom of severe mental ill health.
Seriously, why are you waiting for Obote for you to get off your bum and look for work?
And how close were you to Obote and his family? How much did you know about him?
Do not claim to be speaking for Obote’s family because they will disown you. Obote was paralysed in Zambia, he was always doubly incontinent and you were in Toronto servicing that old woman instead of going to help Akena to manage the old dictators incontinence.
At the time of his death, Obote’s compound was overgrown, Akena had stopped shaving his own bearded and was in a mess yet Mama Miria had moved on.
Right now, you are calling for the spirit of a man who died in such miserable circumstances. Stop associating yourself with what you are not. You need to learn how to overcome your madness and then live in a real life and not in that Utopia of Obote’s heavenly Uganda that was never there.
“It is not out of fear but out of a feeling for what is right that we should abstain from doing wrong.” “Doing right is based most of all on respecting the other person.” “We ought to do our best to help those who have suffered injustice.” “The wise man belongs to all countries, for the whole world is a homeland to a great heart.” “Poverty in a democracy is as much to be preferred to so-called prosperity under despots as freedom is to slavery” “I would rather discover a single causal law than be king of Persia!” Democritus (ca. 460 BC – ca. 370 BC)
— On Tue, 17/5/11, Monsieur Edward Mulindwa wrote:
From: Monsieur Edward Mulindwa Subject: RE: {UAH} GGWE JOHN NSUBUGA. Gwe mulindwa To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, 17 May, 2011, 12:52
Mwami Richard Mukasa.
The issues I am raising today are not only affecting the people of Luwero they are affecting us and all of us as a nation, for these are very serious issues we need to go through to understand who is a prospective leader, and I will give you a second example here.
Dr Kiiza Besigye and Dr Batta did not only abandon the people they were trained to heal, they did not only train The Kadogos on how to murder with bare hands but they indirectly killed Ugandans by denying them government delivered services. I am not sure how good you are in following Uganda government and how it delivered its services then, so read this writing very slowly for some of us knew. The Ministry of Health under AMOs government would import all medications required in the country and store it in government stores Entebbe. Now according to the regional needs these supplies would be trucked into the hospitals through regional head quarters. Dr Kiiza Besigye happened to be stationed in Mbale hospital which was a regional hospital, so all supplies to Bukedea to Karamoja to Kumi to Budama to you name it was piled up in Mbale hospital. Dr Batta was stationed in Kayunga hospital which was taking care of almost half if not entire Bulemeezi N’goma part of Mityana and so on. Remember at a time Kiwoko hospital had not been built and Bombo hospital had been taken by the army, so to get a government service in Bulemezi Luwero triangle you needed Nakaseke hospital a very reason a smart man like AMO constructed it.
When NRA built its self in Luwero, the two doctors got the hospital trucks and loaded everything they had in those centers and drove them into Luwero to be used by Museveni and his war loads. Nsubuga the medication from Nakaseke hospital was not going to treat Obote or his family or Langis and Acholis. This is a government that did its job, it collected the tax payers money and spent it to import medication to treat us as Baganda. Imagine the number of people that died for Dr Batta and Dr Besigye decided to cut the system short and steal it to Museveni. What happened to your mother that was in Nakaseke hospital waiting for an operation that night? What happened to a patient that was in Bukedea waiting for a blood transfusion that night? Bottom line how many Ugandans actually died in that one night when two medical doctors decided to cut the population off government supply? These are very serious questions that the irks of John Nsubuga fail to raise or even to respond to. How can a man educated to heal people decide to break a store that he is entrusted in to take the medical supply that would have treated the tax payer that educated him and employed him? Dr Batta and Dr Kiiza Besigye never held a student loan in Uganda , how did they got educated? Thank you from that very tax payer they killed all over Uganda.
But here is the most aggravating issue before us today. As John Nsubuga wallows through the praises of every punk that tries to lead Uganda, he is not critically informed to realize that Batta and Besigye did not steal the medication for they supported Museveni, but because they regarded the population of Uganda expendable. And that is the problem on Nsubuga. Nsubuga fails to follow through that when the movement came to power it refused to put medication in hospitals for you as a tax payer are not an issue. Your medical is not important as it was under UPC or AMO, did you ever walk to a clinic under AMO and you failed to get medicated? Why after Museveni? Until when Bata died he never improved medical systems, up to today Besigye has no clear policy on medical improvement. And I am standing in front of you today to inform your irks as well as Nsubuga that Dr Kiiza Besigye as a president of Uganda all hospitals are going to be sold off and turned into condos for treatment must be for the rich only. If the medical system was important to Besigye that is what he should have started with as soon as they came to power, for that is his profession. Do you know what he did? He made sure that he has a clinic in Germany. I am not here to debate the taking of the medications from hospital stores but the mindset of the population does not matter. Let us steal the medication and screw every Muganda in Luwero every Easterner for they do not matter. Uganda’s danger today is the John Nsubugas that start by dancing for these people then turn around 30 years later to go whoops we were duped. 600,000 graves later. And I understand when he follows Museveni for the war was built on tribalism but to cry for Besigye? No that is a crime for even a kid knows him to be a very anti Uganda man.
Richard Mukasa this is not about Luwero alone this is about Uganda the state, wake up man.
EM On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group “With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kizza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy” Groupe de communication Mulindwas “avec Yoweri Museveni et Docteur Kiiza Besigye, l’Ouganda est dans l’anarchie”
From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Mukasa Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 6:09 AM To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: {UAH} GGWE JOHN NSUBUGA. Gwe mulindwa
But where is your social progression in life?. We all have a story to tell but man, we do not roam from one forum to another discussing Luwero.
At least get a job and work. Servicing that woman’s machine and roaming from forum to forum is nonsense.
Many of us do not even know where Luwero is. And we do not care where Luwero is. What we care about is achieving self-actualisation.
You pretend to care for the people of Luwero but what have you ever done for them since the war ended? How many charities are you sponsering in Luwero.
Secondly, you hate Baganda and they are the majority in Luwero. Aren’t you just confused?
Abraham Maslow called it as the desire to become more and more what one is, to become everything that one is capable of becoming.
You may think that your problem is the war is Luwero but actually, it is your desire for self-fulfilment that is bothering you and it manifests itself through these archaic stories of war.
Get a job or go back to school and get a qualification. Believe me, you will have a lot to write and talk about. Just like many of us. We pride ourselves with Knowledge because it is poor.
It is the weapon that we have. We do not moan about war because we know too much about the theories of managing “separation, death, loss and bereavement’.
I used to work in a hospice for the terminally. I have a great deal of experience in psychologically preparing people for death. And I also used to prepare the children and other family members for the same. Thereafter, I had to support myself to deal with this loss within myself before moving on to another service user.
Therefore, when I see you here using the war in Luwero as an excuse for not working, roaming from forum to forum, promoting hate, using the stories of to promote sectarianism and even supporting human rights abuses in Uganda, It just shows that something is amiss with you.
“It is not out of fear but out of a feeling for what is right that we should abstain from doing wrong.” “Doing right is based most of all on respecting the other person.” “We ought to do our best to help those who have suffered injustice.” “The wise man belongs to all countries, for the whole world is a homeland to a great heart.” “Poverty in a democracy is as much to be preferred to so-called prosperity under despots as freedom is to slavery” “I would rather discover a single causal law than be king of Persia!” Democritus (ca. 460 BC – ca. 370 BC)
— On Tue, 17/5/11, Monsieur Edward Mulindwa wrote:
From: Monsieur Edward Mulindwa Subject: RE: {UAH} GGWE JOHN NSUBUGA. Gwe mulindwa To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, 17 May, 2011, 0:24
Mwami Richard Mukasa
I agree I have dwelt on the issue of Luwero and I agree I will remain on it for as long as it is left under the rug and for a very good reason sir. Most of the people that died in Luwero were murdered medically. Allow me to explain. You would look at a body and the manner in which it had been decapitated would not be possible if the one that decapitated it had no medical knowledge. Let me stress that as much as we had the skulls in Luwero, there were no other parts. So a quick question must be what happened to the rest of the bodies of those skulls? How was NRA able to collect all skulls to that amount yet there was no single Skelton of a decapitated body? Ever since this government came to power, have you ever seen a burial ground that had the rest of those skeletons? But most importantly, How were these skulls collected? Did NRA find a dead person cut off the head then dry it or they would find a dead Luwerorian Skelton then cut off the head? If that was the matter, then the most logical question becomes what happened to the rest of the Skelton? And not only the skeletons of the Luwerorians but we are missing the skeletons of all Hutus that died in Rwanda.
That is the point it becomes to us that NRA had two medical doctors that were specifically training the Kadogos on how to murder people quick and without a need of a gun. Dr Batta and Dr Kiiza Besigye were training the Kadogos in Luwero on how to open up the head of people with bare hands. And how did they do that? Well when you hold the fore head of a human being, it actually lifts off. This is why in Luwero it is a very common saying that if you do not leave me alone I will open your brain with my bare hands. This knowledge is thanks to Dr Batta and Dr Kiiza Besigye. They transformed the education they got to use in saving people’s lives on how to destroy the very same lives. This training was very important in the war for people would be killed without a waste of bullets. But the two Doctors also introduced the Kandoya in Luwero and to today we have people that were deformed by this practice. That system was also introduced by these two Doctors. To kill wit out spending on a bullet.
A commission of inquiry in Luwero is a double benefit, {1} What I have stated in the last two paragraph is simply a joke on the information we have that these people did in Luwero. If a commission is opened, we can file up a huge number of people that can back up these accusations when we repeat them in front of a judge and under oath. {2} But most importantly this commission will give Dr Kiiza Besigye a chance to defend his stand on what he did and what he did not do, as it will allow the estate of Dr Batta who is deceased today to defend himself as well. So either way there is no one loosing in this deal. What I have a huge problem and what I cannot stomach is men like John Nsubuga to stand up and defend these doctors when he was not in Luwero as they were decapitating young women children and men.
That I personally cannot stomach and I am sorry to be direct on it.
EM On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group “With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kizza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy” Groupe de communication Mulindwas “avec Yoweri Museveni et Docteur Kiiza Besigye, l’Ouganda est dans l’anarchie”
From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Mukasa Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 7:49 PM To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: {UAH} GGWE JOHN NSUBUGA. Gwe mulindwa
Gwe Mulindwa
I was wondering why common sense deserted you. When do you work? when do you sit down to plan for your life as a man?
We economic migrants are well known for at least having a structured and ambitious life. We live for a purpose and we aspire for the best in life. We have a sense of achievement and look behind our shoulders with pride.
A man of your age, all you do is roaming from one forum to another. When do you work?
No wonder you are servicing that lady’s machine. After doing that, you come here to lecture us about Luwero and Milton Obote.
One thing that I want to warn you as a fellow Ugandan regardless of my huge political differences with you, is that do not lick that woman’s machine and do not go to the backside.
The more you lick that stuff and swallow it, the more you gonna talk about Luwero repeatedly. If you stop doing it for a year, you will start seeing the world from a very different perspective. This Luwero this Luwero that will go. You will learn to respect people and even talk sense.
The backside is a no go area. But believe me, she will give you a divorce. You have a big thing to think about. Now I know, you have been swallowing too much of that stuff.
“It is not out of fear but out of a feeling for what is right that we should abstain from doing wrong.” “Doing right is based most of all on respecting the other person.” “We ought to do our best to help those who have suffered injustice.” “The wise man belongs to all countries, for the whole world is a homeland to a great heart.” “Poverty in a democracy is as much to be preferred to so-called prosperity under despots as freedom is to slavery” “I would rather discover a single causal law than be king of Persia!” Democritus (ca. 460 BC – ca. 370 BC)
— On Mon, 16/5/11, Monsieur Edward Mulindwa wrote:
From: Monsieur Edward Mulindwa Subject: {UAH} GGWE JOHN NSUBUGA To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, 16 May, 2011, 22:45
Mwami John Nsubuga
I am a member of several political forums, I am a member of 3 Kenyan forums, 4 Rwandese forums, 1 of Burundi, 2 from Zimbabwe, 1 from Cameroon, I of Democratic Republic of Congo and the list is endless. This gives an over view of how politics and political matters are discussed in Greater Africa. I find it very offensive that the politics of Uganda is only discussed by Ugandans beating each other for they are only divided into those that love a president and those that do not. When the Rwandese are discussing how better to use the power they suck from Jinja, Ugandans are discussing how EM hates Besigye. When Cameroonians are discussing how their university system can be improved Ugandans like your self are pleading on how Dr Kiiza Besigye is a God. All African forums I have been with especially Kenyan South Africa and so on, there is a huge difference between the leaders and the population. And my very basic question today is why do you Ugandans worship leaders as if they are your partners? Why do you worship your leaders as if you personally know them? Nsubuga you are defending Dr Kiiza Besigye all your life in UAH yet you have never sold a single policy that he is going to implement if ever God forbid he goes to power. And do you know why you do not sell it? It is because you simply don’t have it. And yet as your mother stands on Kampala road to dance for Museveni is in power, you the son go on the net to tell us how Museveni is the best man to ever lead Uganda.
Nsubuga we have a very serious problem in Uganda politics for we are wallowing in middle of stupidity up and above. No you do not know Besigye and no you did not know Museveni and no you did not know Binayiisa. And yet you dance every single crappy leader we have or a prospective leader we get. And I am so pissed for this very same stupidity is the one that made President Obote mad with you people. The man out of his good heart goes into a country and builds some of the very best medical system. By the time AMO left power Uganda was recognized by The WHO as a country with the best Dr patient accessibility in the world. Not Canada Not Sweden not Norway not United States but Uganda under AMO. The man built you a very good foundation to run that country. And yet in your stupidity you stood up and destroyed the entire structure for you decided to support the God Damn Rwandese that have destroyed this country to what it is today. It all started by your worshiping Museveni when you did not know a crap out of the man. When we asked question you lambasted us with the very same stupidity you are using today to cover Dr Kiiza Besigye who you again do not know about.
John Nsubuga let me ask you a very serious question. What have you gained from this government? Apart from a silly Kingdom and a silly King tell me what was so important for you to destroy the infrastructure AMO left for you to what you have made Uganda today? What are you proud of as a Muganda today? Look you are so dumb that you have destroyed the hospitals AMO built the roads he built, the power supply he built that today you have lakes in Kampala, you have load shedding as power goes to Rwanda. But you are too dumb that even the fertile land you have in Buganda you have failed to use it to feed your own children, they are dying of swollen wombs. Yes it is called Kwashiorkor. How many Baganda kids did you see dying of Kwashiorkor during AMO’s time Nsubuga? Why now? And instead of taking a second look and understanding that there is no friendship in leadership you are now singing for Dr Kiiza Besigye.
Sometimes you make some of us wonder why we were born as Baganda.
EM On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group “With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kizza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy” Groupe de communication Mulindwas “avec Yoweri Museveni et Docteur Kiiza Besigye, l’Ouganda est dans l’anarchie”
From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Nsubuga Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:44 AM To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: {UAH} BESIGYE’S WIFE TOWED IN CAR/// Rashid
You have refused Besigye to walk, to drive, you’re towing away his wife, and now you’re even telling him not to smile because people have died. Has he shot pregnant women, babies, innocent by standers, teargassed kindergarten kids, shop keepers and so on?
Mulindwa should put up or shut up!
MARTYR BESIGYE NOW!
JN
From: Rashid To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, 16 May, 2011 11:14:32 Subject: Re: {UAH} BESIGYE’S WIFE TOWED IN CAR/// FEAR, FEAR &FEAR
JN,
Nooo Noo No EM is agreat human being- who desrve better no matter what.
— On Mon, 5/16/11, John Nsubuga wrote:
From: John Nsubuga Subject: Re: {UAH} BESIGYE’S WIFE TOWED IN CAR/// FEAR, FEAR &FEAR To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 1:47 PM
Gook,
Mulindwa is not a George Okello, what does he know about love and beautiful women? He married an ugly white Canadian woman that deliberately urinates on bed and eats tinned Salomon fish every day. Mulindwa’s work is to put out the wet beddings to dry, and to walk the Chihuahua dog called Phoebe, what does he know?
Let him deny it and I’ll invite Kakubampanga to testify against him.
Anyamaze uyo mujinga!
MARTYR BESIGYE NOW!
JN
From: Gook To: “ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com” Sent: Mon, 16 May, 2011 10:22:09 Subject: Re: {UAH} BESIGYE’S WIFE TOWED IN CAR/// FEAR, FEAR &FEAR
Wouldn’t you be laughing with such a beauty besides you? I know I would!
Sent from Gook’s iPatch!
“Smile and the world smiles with you…weep and you weep alone!”
On 16 maj 2011, at 11:13, “Monsieur Edward Mulindwa” wrote:
Why is he laughing? What is so funny when people are dying?
EM On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group “With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kizza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy” Groupe de communication Mulindwas “avec Yoweri Museveni et Docteur Kiiza Besigye, l’Ouganda est dans l’anarchie”
From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Nsubuga Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:05 AM To: Ugandans-at-Heart@googlegroups.com Subject: {UAH} BESIGYE’S WIFE TOWED IN CAR/// FEAR, FEAR &FEAR
Besigye Wife towed in car to police station, misses flight to New York Error! Filename not specified.Kizza Besigye with his wife Winnie Byanyima at their home, moments after Ms Byanyima was briefly detained at Kasangati Police Station.”>
Opposition leader Dr. Kizza Besigye with his wife Winnie Byanyima at their home, moments after Ms Byanyima was briefly detained at Kasangati Police Station. Photo by Isaac Kasamani
By Paul Amoru & Isaac Kasamani (email the author)
Posted Monday, May 16 2011 at 09:30
Ms Winnie Byanyima, the wife to opposition leader Dr. Kizza Besigye was on Monday morning besieged in her car right outside their family gate at about 6:30 am and towed by a police truck to Kasangati police station, about 20 kilometers from the Kampala.
The police believed the opposition leader was in the car.
Ms Byanyima however was with Dr. Besigye’s driver and two aides heading to Entebbe International Airport, to catch a 9:00am British Airways flight to New York, where she works
as director for gender in the Bureau for Development Policy at the UNDP.
Ms Byanyima says she is outraged by the incident and will instruct her lawyers to take on the Police Chief Maj. Gen. Kale Kayihura and also demand a formal apology.
She said their family home is now under siege by the police and other security operatives. “I am absolutely furious at this incident, and it seems my husband is now a hostage… they (police) have besieged my home,” Ms Byanyima said in an interview with Daily Monitor, moments after she was released from the brief detention.
Ms Byanyima has now returned home and says she is making arrangement for the next available flight. Meanwhile, Dr. Besigye is held up at his home with heavy police presence at his gate.
Besigye said in an interview with this Newspaper that he has flu and would not be walking to work on Monday Morning. “My wife was travelling back to New York, I don’t know what is going on, but I intend to go to a clinic,” the opposition leader said.
It is not clear whether police will allow him to visit the clinic. The development comes after Uganda’s President Yoweri Kaguta Museveni was sworn in last Thursday for the Fourth term after winning the February 18 elections with 68 percent but the ceremony was overshadowed by the arrival of his arch rival and three time challenger Dr. Besigye who had been flown to Nairobi for medical treatment from injuries sustained during a violent arrest last month.
The swearing-in ceremony was graced by a few African presidents, from Somalia, Ethiopia, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Democratic Republic of Congo, South Sudan and Nigeria.
Arch rival’s arrival
Dr. Besigye was almost stopped from coming back to the country the day before the swearing-in ceremony.
Blocked from boarding a Kenya Airways flight after reports that the Uganda government would not allow the airline to land if he was on board, Besigye was later offered a seat on another evening flight which he declined.
Together with his wife and former confidante Together with his wife and former confidante Museveni Winnie Byanyima, they chose to come back on the very day of the swearing in ceremony.
The army used tear gas and canes to try to disperse crowds gathered along Entebbe Road as they waited for Besigye. The military had to make way for foreign dignitaries to be able to access the road to the airport as a journey that usually takes about an hour, took Besigye and his crowd of supporters over six hours to make it to the city.
Ugandahas faced a stalemate after Activists for Change (A4C), a new pressure group behind the walk-to-work campaign to protest the high fuel and commodity prices. Government however outlawed the walk and police has been violently handling the protesters, and in the process, about 10 people have been killed in the police shootout.
MARTYR BESIGYE NOW!
JN
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